In today's dispatches, fear and racism from The Pest and eFail. More "I don't care what the law says, this is how I want it to say!" from Leonard Daneman. Lucas Smith haz a blog. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert haz a rally, and Dr. Orly wants to media whore herself into it.
But the most interesting (IMHO) is the affidavit that Berg submitted to the courts from Lisa Liberi's mother as part of the ongoing birtherstan civil war. To say she doesn't like Dr. Orly might be an understatement - and if certain aspects of it are true, Dr. Orly is even more loathsome and wretched an excuse for a human being than I thought. There are some levels a reasonable human being won't stoop to. And if this is accurate, Dr. Orly SWIMS it those levels.
15 September - More fear-mongering and racism from the Pest and eFail.
"Each and every day, The Obama is working to collapse more of this country’s Republic, while saying he is “saving” it. Does this remind anyone of Taqiyya–the Islamic practice of routinely lying to “infidels?” Note: He may not be a Muslim, but he seems to use some of their methods quite well."
Oh, and some interesting spin on the upcoming general election.
"Please remember in November that election fraud will be at its highest in US history to date. Remember in November that the ObamaThugs will be out in force to intimidate non-Democrat voters. Remember in November that all Marxists (Democrats AND RINOs) and anti-US Republic candidates are on their way out. Remember in November that We-the-People MUST turn out to vote in numbers never before seen in our country. But, most of all, remember on 2 November 2010 that this is the date We-the-People begin to take back our country."
So basically the party line is that if the GOP wins the House and/or the Senate, it's the "will of the people". If they fail to win either or both, it's election fraud by "ObamaThugs".
Nice. They've already explained away any possibility of loss as Yet Another Conspiracy. And to add fuel to THAT fire...
"mganzi says:
Thursday, September 16, 2010 at 10:14 AM
From another poster (paraphrased) “On November 2, the flicks of levers in our voting booths if honestly counted will set us back on course. If these votes are negated by the likes of ACORN, Black Panthers and/or Executive fiat, the next lever flicks to be heard will probably be from handheld pieces. Either works for me.”
So basically "we BETTER win the election OR ELSE" ??? My, how completely undemocratic and against the principles this country was founded on.
16 September - Lisa Liberi's mother launches her own broadside in the birtherstani civil wars. And while it's quite strident in places, parts of it are very interesting indeed.
(Scribd link here)
Of particular interest was the claims that Lisa Liberi was in a "Safe at Home" programme to protect against stalkers and domestic violence from a former partner, and that Dr. Orly and Neal Sankey gave the stalker in question, one John Mark Allen, what Dr. Orly believed to be Lisa Liberi's current address and ways to contact her.
" John Mark Allen is the father of my grandson. He has done some very hurtful, harmful
things to Liberi and my grandson through the years. He was arrested and convicted of Burglary of Liberi’s home, and stalking her. Liberi was given a safe at home address, and new SS# due to domestic violence of John Mark Allen. I do not know how long this relationship with the Taitz’s and Allen has been going on but again, Allen and Taitz has teamed up to cause more pain and harm to Liberi. Taitz knew about the “safe at home” address, however, she and Sankey set out to find John Mark Allen anyway. Unconscionable and despicable. "
If this is indeed the case, it marks a whole new low in the levels that Dr. Orly will stoop to, and shows her complete disregard for the consenquences of her actions.
This next part is also interesting. Remember that Dr. Orly's first two cases were almost word-for-word copies of Berg's original lawsuit.
(Bold face in original)
" Phil Berg and Orly Taitz were never working together. Phil Berg and my daughter rejected Orly Taitz when she tried to become a partner with Mr. Berg. This is what started the attack on Phil Berg and my daughter by Orly Taitz in 2009. Orly Taitz tries to hurt people that disagree with her, or reject her. She said she was going to take Berg down, destroy and get rid of my daughter.The only thing in common between Mr. Berg and Taitz is both are attorneys. Mr. Berg filed the first law suit regarding whether or not President Obama was qualified to be President of the U. S. according to the U. S. Constitution. Taitz came along later, sucked the words and ink off of Mr. Berg’s Court filed documents like a vampire parasite, and filed the documents with her name typed on it."
The "vampire parasite" line is particularly good.
"Taitz’s motive was to draw attention to herself, have her name and picture everywhere"
Well, duh.
"Since then, she has brought much embarrassment to the legal profession and grief to the Federal Courts, and other people that she thought were in her way."
Well, duh.
"Her unethical, illegal actions have cost her supporters $20,000.00 in sanctions that she has now paid , but is still asking for donations to raise this money. Federal Judges has sent complaint to the California Bar Association along with many other complaints. She may be facing disbarment."
We can hope. The California Bar Association should have acted a long time ago.
" The remark that Taitz made on Andrea King’s Blog Radio about“I’ve posted Liberi’s picture and supplied directions” does cause concern due to the fact that Taitz’s close associates are as follows"
The following is an interesting "who's who". Many familar names in birtherstan, but this section underscores the fact that a lot of the "patriots" involved in the birther movement have very questionable legal histories. Particularly with forgery and theft it seems, though assault and violence are well represented as well.
"Pamella R. Feldman, aka Heaven Feldman, aka Pamella Rowlette and numerous other aka’s - Florida
Works with Orly Taitz on court cases and has worked with Taitz since in or about Oct. 2008 to current.
Convicted Felon.Convicted of murder in Florida, sent to the State Psychiatric Hospital and was eventually released. Convicted of other violent crimes assault with bodily injury, etc. , Aggravated Battery.
This woman has already threatened the lives of Lisa Liberi and Lisa Ostella on behalf of Orly Taitz. This information has already been filed in the case of Liberi, et al v. Taitz, et al, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of P:A, Case No. 09-cv-01898
Cody Robert Judy born in Utah
Worked with Taitz on Barnett, et al vs. Obama, et al as part of Taitz’s legal team.In 1993
Cody Judy interrupted a BYU fireside where LDS apostle Howard W. Hunter was speaking. Judy held a briefcase containing what he said was a bomb, and in his other hand he held what he said was a detonator. He served 8 years in prison. He went back to prison in 2001 for aggravated Burglary."
So we have a convicted murderer AND Cody Jody! Oh, and Lookie here at this familiar face!
"Walter Francis Fitzpatrick, III – Born in CA – lived in Kitsap County Washington, now in Tennessee – works closely with Taitz concerning Grand Jury
There are many, many convictions throughout the years. Approximately 6 convictions of harassment, assault, coercion by use of threat, approx. 2 convictions of fraud, theft and many more. Currently up on more criminal charges, as he was indicted on the following: Rioting; Disrupting a meeting; Disorderly conduct; Resisting Arrest; Retaliation for Past Action (felony); and Civil Rights Intimidation (felony)
State of TN v. Walter F. Fitzpatrick, III, In the Criminal Court for Monroe County, at
Madisonville, TN Case No. 10213"
Didn't know Dr. Orly and Fitzpatrick were working together. It wouldn't surprise me much though.
Charles Edward Lincoln, III Born in Texas
Part of Legal team for over a year.Worked as Orly Taitz’s Legal Assistant, prepared documents; signed Taitz’s name to documents, and filed them with Courts. Deemed a DOMESTIC TERRORIST BY U.S. MARSHALS AND FEDERAL AGENTS.
Convicted Felon (convicted in Texas) – forgery of Federal Court document; and using a false social security number to open Bank accounts, etc.
Disbarred from three (3) states, Texas, Florida and California
See California Bar #171793
Had a falling out with Taitz when Lucas Daniel Smith made public the adulterous affair
between Lincoln and Orly Taitz
Lucas Daniel Smith
Witness and employee of Orly Taitz.
State of Iowa v. Lucas Daniel Smith – Convictions: 3 or 4 convictions of Forgery by making
false licenses, ID forms or Blank forms; approximately 4 convictions of theft.
06571 FECR 23705; 05771 FECR 144901; 05501 FECR 007084; 06521 FECR 054329
Had a falling out with Taitz when Taitz asked him to lie about some matters in Federal Court. He refused and wrote an affidavit to Federal Court, Judge Carter about the matter. Also swore that Taitz knew that the birth certificates of President Obama were fake when she presented them to the court."
And currently the latest darling boy and great white hope at the Pest and eFail
"Lawrence Wayne Sinclair
Witness for Orly Taitz
Served three (3) prison terms (Theft crimes, forgery crimes) and has a psychiatric history
including violence.
Orly Taitz asked Mr. Sinclair to lie in Federal Court about some matters. Mr. Sinclair refused to perjure himself. He went home and wrote Affidavit and sent to Federal Court, Judge Carter about Taitz asking him to lie in court. Mr. Sinclair also mentioned in his affidavit (provided emails as proof) that Yosef Taitz was the one that forged a birth certificate (supposed to be President Obama’s) for Orly Taitz. "
I always thought that the claim the the faked birth certificate was provided by Yosef Taitz was interesting. Yosef has distanced himself from his wife's actions and behaviour, but people have wondered why he hasn't taken steps to try and stop it or even stage an intervention. Makes one wonder if he's helping her behind the scenes.
And it's funny that Sinclair's legal history didn't stop the PUMAs from fawning over him or becoming one of the darlings at "Citizen" Larry Wells primate cage.
"Linda Sue Belcher, Castorville, Texas
Works for and creates documents for Orly Taitz
Criminally convicted many times. Many marriages with many last names (approx. 10).
Forged/manufactured email documents of Lisa Liberi – in Liberi, et al v. Taitz, et al, Case No. 09-cv-01898; Forged/manufactured chat logs in the name of Lisa Liberi – filed in above case.
Well documented Psychiatric patient"
Linda Starr Belcher was the person who got Berg involved in birther madness in the first place. Which makes me wonder if Berg knew of her past history before all of this, or even didn't *care* what said history was due to his hatred of Obama.
" Leo Patrick Haffe - Tennessee, County of Davidson
Works with Orly Taitz drafting legal documents
2009 & 2010 - Assault; aggravated Assault upon 2 prosecutors, prosecuting the case against
Haffey. Taken to State Mental Hospital, placed on medication, back to jail; violation of
protective order; domestic offenses."
Ah, Leo the Lawyer. Friend to Walter Fitzpatrick and "Citizen" Larry Wells.
These are the people Dr. Orly's birtherstan neighborhood it seems. And certainly familar to my readers as well. Which always brings forward the question of why the birtherstani believe ANY of them. (Yeah, I know, their hatred of Obama blinds them to, well, reality)
"Orly Taitz and her husband Yosef like to spy on people. They run background checks, and credit history on people, collect dossiers. Taitz is very aware of the background of her associates."
Not surprising, considering Dr. Orly's paranoia.
"Taitz and her husband have malware and spyware (they create themselves) that they deposit on other computers to gather information that is sent back to their own servers. They like to crawl around inside other people’s computers and spy on private information."
While Dr. Orly's blog is malware central, I doubt they install it themselves. This claim rather undermines her arguments IMHO.
" Taitz seems to think that since she acquired, by some miracle, a Dental License, and Attorney License that she is not capable of doing the things that the Plaintiffs have much evidence of. This again must be something that she is saying for the benefit of her followers.These Licenses do not make Taitz competent, mentally balanced, sane, honest, trustworthy, wise, and professional or anything good."
Completely agreed.
"She has been sued many times for Dental malpractice, and many, many complaints sent to the California Bar Association about her illegal and unethical acts. She no longer has her Real Estate License. She has been in trouble with the law on many occasions. She is an adulteress. Lies to her supporters, and encourages others to lie. She tries to arouse emotions and prejudices of her followers to do her dirty work against people. She also tries to arouse emotions and prejudices for her followers to donate more money to go toward her life style. Taitz is certainly not Mother Teresa, as she would like you to think.The nicest word that I can come up with to describe Taitz is VILE"
Yeah, sounds about right. Though I would have added thin-skinned, vindictive, and petty.
17 September - Freelance paralegal Leonard Daneman spouts off again.
"Leonard Daneman 17. Sep, 2010 at 12:49 pm
I stand by my reading of Ark, and Ashwander. To hell with your law school, and dictum as authoritative, baaah . . . only as authoritative as the source. The underlying purpose of Ark was to avoid aparthied, a condition that violates natural law. Ark does not define ‘natural born citizen,’ nor does Liakakos, Ankeny . . . and I’ll throw Elg in there as well, even though Elg does not actually misinterpret NBC.
The definition of NBC as used solely in Article II can be determined by reading Article II itself, and almost nothing else. HAPPY CONSTITUTION DAY"
Funny how there isn't a definition of "Natural Born Citizen" in Article II then. As for the rest, it's "Wahh, established case law doesn't agree with me, so I'll ignore it!!"
"That is the kind of ‘balls’ we need in our country again. Stand up to crooked, cowardly judges . . . stand up to the Muslims and deny them entry into the U.S., and ban the building of the Ground Zero ‘Rabat.’"
Racist much??
"I do look forward to the SCOTUS case against Obama . . . Kagan and Sotomayor forced to recuse themselves, and then being kicked out on their appara’chick’ asses along with Obama . . . "
Sexist much?
17 September - Speaking of convicted forger Lucas Smith, he now has his own website.
"This website is dedicated to the restoration of FREEDOM and the RULE OF LAW in this CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC of the USA by Lucas Daniel Smith, Cedar Rapids, lowa
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II
Born in Kenya?
Illegal President?
DEMAND CONGRESS FULLY INVESTIGATE NOW!"
17 September - Political satirists Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert announce their own "competing and complimentary marches" on Washington on 30 Oct 2010.
Jon Stewart's is the "Rally to Restore Sanity", while Stephen Colbert's is the "Keep Fear Alive" rally.
"Who among us has not wanted to open their window and shout that at the top of their lungs?
Seriously, who?
Because we're looking for those people. We're looking for the people who think shouting is annoying, counterproductive, and terrible for your throat; who feel that the loudest voices shouldn't be the only ones that get heard; and who believe that the only time it's appropriate to draw a Hitler mustache on someone is when that person is actually Hitler. Or Charlie Chaplin in certain roles. "
and
"America, the Greatest Country God ever gave Man, was built on three bedrock principles: Freedom. Liberty. And Fear -- that someone might take our Freedom and Liberty. But now, there are dark, optimistic forces trying to take away our Fear -- forces with salt and pepper hair and way more Emmys than they need. They want to replace our Fear with reason. But never forget -- "Reason" is just one letter away from "Treason." Coincidence? Reasonable people would say it is, but America can't afford to take that chance.
So join The Rev. Sir Dr. Stephen T. Colbert, D.F.A. on October 30th for the "March to Keep Fear Alive"™ in Washington DC. Pack an overnight bag with five extra sets of underwear -- you're going to need them. Because, to Restore Truthiness we must always... Shh!!! What's that sound?! I think there's someone behind you! Run! "
17 September - Marc Schneider covers Jon Stewart's announcement.
| The Daily Show With Jon Stewart | Mon - Thurs 11p / 10c | |||
| Rally to Restore Sanity | ||||
| ||||
"In a video setting up his case that both political parties have gone overboard, Stewart mixed in pundits like "Birther Queen" Orly Taitz and the "Ragin' Cajun" James Carville. There were images from anti-war rallies and the recent rash of Tea Party events as well. He said the purpose of the rally will be to give the 80 percent of the country who usually "have s**t to do" a chance to rally ... but for sanity, not rage."
*Chuckle* And I see Dr. Orly gets called out as part of the dingbat fringe. (Though Carville is a pinhead as well, just not as batshit insane as Dr. Orly.)
The funny thing about Colbert is that, as usual, the people he's making fun of just won't get it
17 September - And speaking of people that just don't get it.... (malware and redirect warning)
"JON STEWART IS ORGANIZING A RALLY AGAINST BIRTHER QUEEN ORLY TAITZ AND RAGING CAJUN JAMES CARVILLE TO RESTORE PEACE AND SANITY. I THINK WE SHOULD JOIN HIS RALLY WITH A SLOGAN “AFTER OBAMA SHOWS HIS CT SOC. SEC APPLICATION AND HIS LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE WE WILL RESTORE SANITY IN THE COUNTRY”. PLEASE, CALL ME (redacted), IF YOU CAN HELP MAKE THE SIGNS AND BANNERS FOR THIS RALLY AND FOR AZ RALLY.
Posted on | September 17, 2010 "
*Chuckle* Oh please do show up to the rally, Dr. Orly. That would be comedy gold. Comedy Central would eat off of that footage for days.........
Just got off the phone with a rep from the California Bar Association. They say Orly is a member in good standing and, according to their records, there are NO disciplinary actions noted in her record.
So what can a mere mortal say?
Posted by: Hungaman | September 17, 2010 at 05:05 PM
That's all they're going to say until they do what ever they do if they ever do it. They're sure taking their sweet time...
Posted by: DaveH | September 17, 2010 at 05:21 PM
Hungaman: You could have saved yourself the phone call and found that information out on the internet. That just means she hasn't had a final adjudication. Yet. It'll happen eventually. Unfortunately, the RWNJs have bankrupted the State of California with the Propositions process. Things move painfully slowly there.
Posted by: Uncommonsense | September 17, 2010 at 06:42 PM
I agree things mover stupidly slow with the CA Bar.
Orly Taitz is proof positive that the other states in the Union should no longer allow attornies only licensed in CA to practice in their States.
Posted by: Phil | September 18, 2010 at 03:59 AM
Uncommonsense said:
... Unfortunately, the RWNJs have bankrupted the State of California with the Propositions process. ....
Isn't the Bar Association operated with dues collected from its membership?
Posted by: joeymac | September 18, 2010 at 04:12 AM
"While Dr. Orly's blog is malware central, I doubt they install it themselves. This claim rather undermines her arguments IMHO."
There are couple more bits in her statement that are not accurate. Charles E. Lincoln was not "Deemed a DOMESTIC TERRORIST BY U.S. MARSHALS AND FEDERAL AGENTS". According to CEL's disbarment documents, CEL's "assistant" and Trustee, Peyton Yates Freiman, told US/Canada border agents that CEL was a domestic terrorist, but nothing indicates that he was deemed as such by anyone but PYF.
"I always thought that the claim the the faked birth certificate was provided by Yosef Taitz was interesting."
The claim is interesting, but untrue. Remember, the source is Larry Liar Sinclair. The original creator of the Bomford Kenyan fake is known. And PJ's Foggy tells of having it mailed on a thumbdrive from D.C. to Neil Sankey, who then gave it to Orly.
Posted by: ellie | September 18, 2010 at 09:41 AM
I am the John Mark Allen they mention in their pleadings, and I unfortunately had a relationship with Lisa Liberi, who in my opinion is a manipulative sociopath.
Let me state that 1) I have never harmed Lisa or my son ever (let her make a public statement, on the record, herself on this matter), 2) I do not care where she lives as long as it is nowhere near me, 3) I do not side with the birthers, 4) I am a successful professional and contribute to society.
I think the point the defendants (Orly & Co.) have is that Lisa is not a citizen of Pennsylvania, where the lawsuit was filed and she is not. She lives in New Mexico. I have unopened letters from Lisa that she sent me when she first moved to New Mexico, and I was never aware of any "safe at home" address. I suspect this was done more to fend off lawsuits from creditors such as American Express (over $115,000), etc.
Another point they are making is that she has been convicted of several counts of forgery and is serving an eight year suspended sentence, which she has and is.
I consider myself a victim of Lisa Liberi, and I am sure she is proud that.
It's true I plead no-contest to a burglary, but I was faced with a hyper-aggressive DA (who later testified against her), and a multi-million dollar lawsuit from Lisa (sound familiar) at a time before they discovered her illegal actions. You may say that by my pleading no contest and successfully defending the law suit, led her to commit the crimes, since she only reaped a few thousand dollars for her efforts. In short, I had to pay for a crime I did not commit.
Unfortunately, Orly has no regard for the promise she made to keep my name out of it all.
My biggest concern is for my son, who has no defense for Lisa's manipulations and lies.
This is the last post I will have. I will not engage in dialog or argumentation from a public that has no idea of the truth, and regard manipulated perception as reality.
Posted by: John A | September 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM
>>RE: "I always thought that the claim the the faked birth certificate was provided by Yosef Taitz was interesting."
>>>The claim is interesting, but untrue.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/25495594/RIVERNIDER-v-U-S-BANK-47-3-3-Exhibit-3-Affidavit-of-Lucas-Smith-Gov-uscourts-flsd-342089-47-3
AFFIDAVIT OF LUCAS SMITH
Excerpt:
13. I received an email from Charles Edward Lincoln, III with a chain that originated from Yosi Taitz, Dr. Taitz’s husband. This email chain shows Yosi Taitz sent the Kenyan Registration of Birth to Dr. Taitz and then Dr. Taitz forwarded the email to Charles Edward Lincoln, III, see this email attached hereto as EXHIBIT “A”. The document attached to this email chain with the attached Kenyan Registration of Birth, named as “Obama Kenya BC” when the name of the document at the top in the image shows “Certified Copy of Registration of Birth”. Moreover, when I downloaded the file in the email sent from Yosi Taitz to Orly Taitz to Charles Edward Lincoln, III, you click properties and the document shows being created August 1, 2009. It is possible that Yosi Taitz is the person who created and forged this 1964 Republic of Kenya Certified Copy of Registration of Birth in the name of Barack H. Obama. The very document Dr. Taitz wanted me to lie and testify that I procured.
Posted by: CalperniaUSA | September 18, 2010 at 02:35 PM
Someone needs to tell Sharon Rondeau that ACORN no longer exists, thanks to Andrew Breitbart's little smear factory.
Posted by: ellid | September 18, 2010 at 03:22 PM
It appears that (Orly & Co) has been busy this morning. Instead of writing about her being a victim, she is pretending to be John Mark Allen. The same John Mark Allen that had to send his child support payments to a "safe at home" address in California for Lisa Liberi, until she could turn everything over to be handled by DA.
The same John Mark Allen that was under a Court Ordered RESTRAINING ORDER when Sankey and Taitz said that they received a family portrait of Liberi from him. Could go to jail for violation of this Restraining Order. With this RESTRAINING ORDER in effect, how would John Mark Allen know about the finances of the Liberi's ... still sounds like Orly to me.
The same John Mark Allen who is the father of a young man that the Liberi's are desperately trying to put through college. Struggling due to Identity Theft caused by Taitz. You would think that a successful professional that contributes to society would contribute toward his son's education. ALSO, if this is the same John Mark Allen, why don't you send the BACK CHILD SUPPORT to the Liberi's, they could sure use it for your son's education.
Posted by: Grandma | September 18, 2010 at 05:03 PM
For the focused and reasonable, Judge Robreno has already addressed and adjudicated the issue of Diversity. He has ruled that Diversity is not destroyed as long as Liberi does not reside in California or Texas. WHICH SHE DOES NOT. Ostella does not live in Texas or California. Taitz targeted Mr. Phil Berg, and his office in Pennsylvania. According to the law, it does not matter if Liberi lives in Hawaii, as long as she does not live in Texas or California.
Taitz is trying to confuse the issues with her "red herrings". She is trying to arouse the prejudices of her followers in hopes of causing injury to Liberi, Ostella, and their families. She is not raising any issues about proof of the state that Ostella lives in. She wants a drivers license to be able to send someone to Liberi's door.
This maniac is carrying around a picture of Liberi, her husband, and son. She has already threatened the families of Liberi and Ostella. How would you like to be in their shoes? Would you be able to rest well?
Posted by: Grandma | September 18, 2010 at 06:55 PM
Very interesting posts above mine. I learn new stuff everyday.
I just wanted to point out that in an above quote, Orly is demanding Obama produce his social security application. Who on Earth still has their S.S. application? Do you? Anyone? Why would anyone keep it after receiving their card? Not to mention, many people, myself included, apply as children.
Just one more unreasonable request to hold over Obama's head.
Posted by: Obsolete | September 18, 2010 at 10:51 PM
Wow, it's popcorn time!
We've got John Mark Allen, who very well may be a victim, and "grandma," who's convinced JAM is Orly.
We really need some IPs to get to the bottom of this.
Posted by: SluggoJD | September 19, 2010 at 01:54 AM
The birther wars are my favorite part.
Posted by: Phil | September 19, 2010 at 02:14 AM
Lisa Liberi, et al, vs Orly Taitz, et al is not a "Birther War", it is more of a "FATAL REJECTION".
Berg has met Taitz one time at a public gathering. Ostella and Liberi hav never met Taitz.
Taitz was calling and sending emails to Berg's office in Pennsylvania the end of 2008 or beginning of 2009, wanting Liberi to do her legal work. Berg finally told her to quit calling that he did not want anything to do with her because she was unethical, did illegal things and lied. REJECTION!!!!!!
End of 2008, or beginning of 2009, Taitz wanted Ostella to tell the law enforcement that her website was hacked. Ostella refused because it was a lie. REJECTION!!!! Taitz then posted that Ostella stole her donations, along with other charges.
Posted by: Grandma | September 19, 2010 at 04:38 PM
Wow. Well, the list of Orly's associations shows a fairly obvious and disturbing pattern: lots of criminal convictions and psychological issues going on, often with tendencies towards violence, forgery and fraud. I suspect that many of the birther followers have similar backgrounds.
What a surprise the visits here from those who at least claim to be "John A" and "Grandma" from the case discussed. If these really are the actual people involved posting here, then the only appropriate response I want to give is to say to them is that I'm very sorry that Orly's disgusting tactics have impacted their personal lives in such a shameful way and have forced their personal troubles into a public forum.
Posted by: G | September 19, 2010 at 07:59 PM
Grandma, of course it's a birther civil war. Lisa, Berg and Orly are all birthers. They only hate each other because they're all trying to separate the same small pool of morons from their cash. If Lisa wasn't a fellow birther, Orly wouldn't give a damn about her.
Orly is scum but so is Lisa.
There's an old saying. "If you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas." Lisa has no-one but herself to blame.
Mind you that doesn't mean that Orly shouldn't be thrown in a prison cell for a couple of years if even part of these allegations are true. Of course that's always the problem with birthers. All they do is lie constantly so even if they do on the odd occassion actually tell the truth no-one believes them. The little birther that cried wolf.
Posted by: Phil | September 20, 2010 at 02:27 AM
Phil, with the following facts, perhaps you will reconsider your opinion: Mr. Berg met Orly Taitz one time at a public gathering. Liberi and Ostella have NEVER met Taitz. After Taitz copied Mr. Bergs Court filings practically word for word, she started calling and emailing Mr. Berg's office in Pennsylvania. She wanted Liberi to do her legal work. Mr. Berg had heard of Taitz's reputation. He finally told her to stop calling, that he and his staff did not want anything to do with her because she lied, did illegal things and was unethical. This was REJECTION to Taitz. Taitz said that she was taking Berg down and was destroying his paralegal.
Taitz's REVENGE FOR REJECTION. Taitz demanded that Ostella, Taitz's webmaster, lie to police about her website being hacked. Ostella refused. Taitz viewed this as REJECTION. Taitz spread the word that Ostella stole her donations. REVENGE FOR REJECTION.
lIBERI has been working very hard the past two years earning her paralegal certificate, which was awarded this year. She has been working under the supervision of Mr. Berg. Liberi has NEVER been political, but has learned about the workings of the Constitution, and Judicial Law both in the U.S. and other countries. She is still NOT A POLITICAL PERSON. but has great respect for Mr.Berg.
Taitz'a interest in Liberi was strictly to do her legal work for her FREE. As you can see, none of this had anything to do with President Obama and the wording of the Constitution of the U.S. regarding natural born citizen.
Posted by: Grandma | September 20, 2010 at 01:28 PM
Well Grandma, I can respect that you are standing up for a family member and that you are calling Taitz out on her disgusting behavior.
However trying to claim that Liberi and Ostella aren't birthers and the whole case itself isn't an inter-birther catfight / civil war... that's just plain denial and hurts your credibility. Also, I'm fine with you pointing out that that the Lisa's are being harassed and victimized by Taitz here, but to try to portray them as more angelic than they really are is also a bridge to far. They obviously have their own records of bad decisions/actions in their past and have to deal with the consequences of those and live with them.
Posted by: G | September 20, 2010 at 07:36 PM
Ostella and Liberi are volunteer workers. They are not public figures and are not trying to make a name for themselves or vying for attention. They are victims of a narcissistic personality that is an unethical, dishonest, media chasing attorney by the name of Taitz. Ostella enjoys being a web master, and Liberi enjoys paralegal work. Mr. Berg has a law office in Pennsylvania with other clients and active cases. There are many other attorneys active in their own President Obama law suits.
Taitz would attack anyone that she perceives is standing in the way of what she wants whether it is a neighbor, milk man, postman, etc. When this happens, would you call it a birther fight?
Why are you calling this an inter-birther catfight/civil war?
Posted by: Grandma | September 20, 2010 at 10:06 PM
Inter- birther implies together, interwind, affecting each other, apart of each other. Every attorney worked independent, putting forth their ideas and/or arguments, with the exception of Taitz. Taitz plagiarized Mr. Berg's/Liberi's work, along with many other illegal acts.
This case is about Taitz demanding that Ostella lie to law enforcement. When Ostella refused then Taitz accused her of stealing her Donations, and other untrue charges. Taitz announced this to the World. Does this sound like a cat fight/civil war? What would you do? Under the guise of a "concerned citizen about Mr. Berg's finances", Taitz also accused Liberi of stealing, plus posted, emailed, mailed, faxed her SS#, Mother and Father's name, place of birth. She then tried to say that Liberi and Ostella were the same person. WHY? Their first names were Lisa. Then it was one lie after another. Mr. Berg had his donation PAYPAL button set up on his website just like Taitz. Taitz accused Liberi of stealing credit cards. Berg never accepted credit cards, ONLY TAITZ. THIS IS WHAT THE CASE IS ABOUT. The documents are on SCRIBD. Taitz has trampled all over the constitutional rights of these women.
Posted by: Grandma | September 21, 2010 at 12:07 AM
Grandma,
It is simple. Because all of the major players here Berg & Orly and both Lisa's are BIRTHERS. Taitz and Berg would never have had reason to go after each other or their "assistants" if they weren't both involved in pursuing birtherism, which led to disagreements and a pissing match that exploded into these back & forth lawsuits.
You talk about "other laywers" pursuing stuff, like this is some standard event, which is BS. No mainstream lawyers are involved in this birther nonsense. Just these fringe nutty laywers like Berg and Taitz. Berg is also a 9/11 Truther. None of these people are actual "constiutional laywers", although they like to make such unfounded claims constantly.
These are fringe conspiracy folks who happen to have a law degree who have become obsessed in their hatred for Obama. Liberi and Ostella contributed their time to this nonsense because they too are full fledged birthers with an agenda. Not merely because they happen to work for Berg. Therefore, they are just as kooky as he is.
You should stick to real points of how Taitz actions against Liberi and Ostella are reprehensible and often a violation of their personal lives and privacy. Trying to whitewash and paint them as nothing but mere dutiful workers innocently doing their jobs instead of intentional birthers pursuing an agenda, isn't going to fly.
Posted by: G | September 21, 2010 at 01:10 PM
Hi G., I guess we just have to agree to disagree on something. Liberi is not a political person. She has the greatest respect for Mr. Berg, but does not always agree with him.
Liberi and Ostella are "stay at home moms". They volunteer so that they can work when they want, and be available when their family needs them. They are NOT public figures, NOT trying to make a name for themselves, and are NOT vying for attention.
I do not know what Taitz was trying to cover up when she demanded that Ostella lie to police about her website being hacked.
Posted by: Grandma | September 21, 2010 at 05:09 PM
Well "Grandma," just because you repeat it doesn't mean it's true.
Con artists lie, cheat, and deceive...and never admit to their con unless forced to. When con artists cross paths, each will swear to the moon that the other con artist is the bad person.
The pie they share starts to shrink. Not everyone will survive the shrinking pie, and remain a viable con artist. The easiest path to stay in the game is to go after the con artist who is already marked for extinction...by playing off on that con's failures, the other con hopes to boost his/her image, thus staying in the game.
Some of us have seen this over and over and over, and it always plays out the same. Beckwith denounced API in order to stay in the game. Polarik denounced Tech Dude in order to stay in the game. Lying Lucas and CEL3 denounced Orly in order to stay in the game.
So it is with Berg and Orly.
Posted by: SluggoJD | September 21, 2010 at 06:26 PM
Hi Sluggo, I am not too sure what you mean by "Stay in the Game", and the "shrinking pie".
All documents that have been filed in Court by Mr. Berg regarding plaintiffs in the lawsuit against Taitz has been backed up by CD's and jump drives of evidence, and notarized affidavits. This is certainly not a game. Taitz has caused serious harm, and is still endangering two families.
Posted by: Grandma | September 21, 2010 at 07:48 PM