Birtherstan tends to be a location where the population are fools 365 days a year. And today is no exception. We have Herman Cain following Donald Trump's lead. Kerchner writing a letter demanding the US Army immediately dismiss all charges against inmate Lakin. While the Tea Party rally in DC was small, the birther presence was there.
Reality Check Radio interviews Tim Adams, and his story doesn't hold up under questioning. Lawrence O'Donnell wonders what the hell Donald Trump or the roadkill tribble on his head are doing. Sher Zieve spews forth in the Pest and eFail. Robin of Berkeley seems to be testing the waters of birtherstan.
And finally the Pest and eFail has their readers sockpuppets resend their own whiny letters to Fox News, while a perfect storm of crazy develops as Padawan Pauly and Theresa Cao join forces, and a 1914 civics text gives information the de Vattelists won't much like.
31 March - According to Alex Pareene at Salon, Herman Cain has followed Donald Trump's lead in going birther.
"In an interview with a conservative Florida blog, Cain said Trump wasn't "off base," and added that although Cain himself had not given the matter much thought, he decided Obama should "prove he was born in the United States."
(The president has proved that, already. But Cain hasn't "studied enough to have a view one way or the other" on the matter of reality versus feverish make-believe, so who can blame him?)
This is a great development. The more press Trump gets, the more other candidates -- be they fringe or supposedly mainstream -- will attempt to wrest control of the media's precious attention. The easily distracted political press will only focus on the famous or the crazy, so to become the former you must sound like the latter. By May, Rick Santorum will be asking how we can be sure the president isn't a lizard person."
It may be more accurate to say that Trump is following Cain's lead though. As I reported on 23 July 2010, he was playing flirty birther games with Fantasy Tiddlywinks League member Carl Swennson.
31 March - Charles Kerchner writes a letter (republished in the Pest and eFail in keeping with their tradition of whiney letters) to Major Matthew Kemkes, US Army.
"I attended the court martial of LTC Terrence Lakin. Needless to say, I was very disappointed as to how the court martial was conducted in that no discovery or witnesses were allowed to be presented about the underlying reason that LTC Lakin believed he had no constitutional choice to faithfully live up to his solemn oath to the Constitution but to disobey orders involving his second deployment to Afghanistan to call attention to a very serious constitutional crisis facing our nation. "
I suspect it was more "I was disappointed that the court didn't immedately drop all charges and direct military police to immediately go to the White House and arrest Obama" than anything else.
"The Putative President Obama has not conclusively proven to the overwhelming majority of the American people that he is constitutionally eligible to be the President. "
By "overwhelming majority" he means "small group of conspiracy nuts"
"See this recent scientifically-conducted national poll wherein now less than 10% of those surveyed indicated they believed that Obama has conclusively proven he was born in the USA and/or is eligible to be the President."
And he links to that flawed World Nut Daily poll.
" Our system of checks and balances should have taken care of that, but it didn’t. They all failed us. The Washington, DC establishment is a cesspool of corruption. It’s a cesspool, and it’s controlled by social forces, alternative-lifestyle forces that are pushing objectives to move our government totally away from right and wrong, the Army’s core values, and the Constitution, the fundamental law of our land. "
Translation - "Wahh, they allowed an uppity darkie to become President!!!"
"They’re trying to twist things and the meaning of words at every turn as in “What does the word ‘is’ mean?” and their contention that the Constitution is malleable without legal amendment thereof. For example saying that the 1st Amendment is supposed to be saying “freedom from religion” when it provides for freedom “of religion.” They twist words."
This coming from someone who's trying to rewrite the US Constitution.
"I respectfully request that LTC Terrence Lakin be granted full clemency and/or the conviction by at his court martial be overturned and vacated and that LTC Lakin be returned to full service, pay and benefits, promotion, and potential eligibility for a future pension until such time as the constitutional eligibility of Obama is conclusively proven and confirmed by a controlling legal authority (if such can be done given what we already know about Obama’s use of someone else’s SSN on a back dated Selective Service registration) such as a Congressional investigation into Obama’s early life missing original long form documents as to his nativity story and his fraudulent claim to natural born citizenship to constitutional standards."
Note the phrase "nativity" story. They do like that "messiah" meme, don't they? And look how he worked in Dr. Orly's SSN binky (wonder if he'll mention the fact that another retired officer broke the law to check it).
As for "fraudulent claim to natural born citizenship to constitutional standards", neither US Code regarding citizenship laws OR the US Constitution agrees with him on this.
"And image on the internet proves nothing in these days of PhotoShop."
Someone needs to tell Lucas Smith that.
"Obama could have avoided endangering the troops under his command unnecessarily by providing a certified true and correct paper copy of his long form birth certificate, if one exists, like all the troops under him are required to provide prior to a foreign deployment."
No, they need to show a legal birth certificate. Not a "long-form" or anything like that. The COLB like Obama showed works just fine for that purpose.
"Campaign internet images of a short form do not suffice. Would a trooper be allowed to present a digital image on a laptop computer screen as adequate documentation as part of his pre-deployment processing?"
No, but only an idiot would believe that Obama wouldn't show the actual COLB to any needed officials or departments in the Government. (Heck, his campaign showed it to FactCheck and they got pictures to boot). The fact that Obama hasn't personally shown it to Charles Kerchner doesn't mean anything.
"Respectfully submitted,
CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Lehigh Valley, PA
Lead Plaintiff in Kerchner et al v Obama & Congress et al"
Funny how he doesn't mention that his case was dismissed by the Supreme Court....
And in comments:
"elspeth says:
Friday, April 1, 2011 at 8:16 AM
In essence, by allowing Obama to go unchecked, he is being placed above the law. Has affirmative action become superior to our laws to the point that we allow Obama above the law?
If so, then who is next to be placed above the law? And, when would it stop? Are we becoming a nation who ignores our laws? A nation of lawlessness? Or, is the constitution is to be the Supreme Law of the Land, except Obama (thanks, Theresa Cao, for those words).?
Jesus, help us!"
Notice the "affirmative action" quip. Racist much? And look how professional seditionist Sharon Rondeau responds:
"Mrs. Rondeau replies: As Walter Fitzpatrick has said, a rival government has been installed which directly contradicts the U.S. Constitution. When the people of Honduras were faced with a similar situation about 18 months ago, they took action, action which we haven’t yet seen here."
So she's still wanting a coup or insurrection. And she wonders why people call her a seditionist.....
31 March - While that Tea Party rally in Washington DC was sparsely attended, the birtherstani presence was definitely there, as support for Donald Trump's birtherism was high.
"Elizabeth Johnson, a resident of Virginia said that "Donald Duck would be better" than "this joker in the White House" and that "Donald Trump would be fine." She appreciated Trump speaking out about the birther issue.
"Why not, if you have it and you're honest about it, show it. But you know why I think he doesn't want to show it? It says religion and it says Muslim because his father was one, and that's what he doesn't want people to know," Johnson said.
"I think Donald Trump's serious, if you've got Donald Trump's kinda money you can be serious," Mark Lloyd, the chairman of the Virginia Federation of Tea Parties, told TPM in an interview. "If you think about it, that birth certificate issue has been around since before the 2008 election, and it's a question that's out there that hasn't been answered, and I don't know if it ever will."
But Lloyd said the Tea Party movement isn't "a bunch of birthers" and that there were "bigger fish to fry."
Not a bunch of birthers - but more than willing to parrot birther lies I see.
31 March - Reality Check Radio interviews Tim Adams, former temporary elections clerk for the City of Honolulu.
(MP3 here)
To give Adams credit, he does try to stick to his story, even after the evidence becomes rather clear he's lying though this teeth and never had the access to the databases he claimed to have had.
31 March - MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell on "The Last Word" comments on Donald Trump's birtherism.
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It's a fairly good refutal of not just what Donald Trump claimed, but birtherism in general.
1 April - And it's our old friend, failed scientologist and writer Sher Zieve.
"While the in-the-tank-for-Dictator-Obama media (and the usual leftist celebrities) immediately began shouting and demanding that Trump “prove” he is a natural born citizen (NBC), they also continue to say anyone who asks for their Exalted Obama’s real birth certificate are demented or racist “birthers.”
Maybe because you ARE demented or racist birthers??
"But, as we all know by now, what the Left can prove with facts and truth they cloud with ad hominems."
You mean ad hominems like:
"the majority feckless eunuchs in Congress""the Marxist-Leninist Obama"
"the in-the-tank-for-Dictator-Obama media (and the usual leftist celebrities)"
"their Exalted Obama’s"
"this defies any sort of logic (even “Whoopi-logic”)"
"he laughs at We-the-People–that’s a gallows laugh for us"
"his plans to destroy Israel by having all Middle East countries not run by violent Islam destroyed"
And that's all just from this article. You use the term "ad hominem", I do not think you know what it means.
Or care.
"Donald Trump must be supported in his efforts to have Obama display a true and viable birth certificate. At least four Obama COLBs (certificates of live birth) have popped up on the Internet and all of them have been shown to be counterfeit"
Actually two have. One released directly by the campaign, and then the photos taken by FactCheck of the original document. Neither have been proven by credible sources to be a forgery, and it has been verified by the State of Hawaii. Polland/Polarik did his own forged COLB to prove "how easy it was", but removed it when his own allies started pointing out the mistakes he made in less than 15 minutes after posting.
Whole lot of frothing, but nothing of any substance except "Blerrgh! Obama bad! Blarrgh!"
1 April - Emailwire.com reports on Hollister's little lawbreaking.
"It is undetermined what charges, if any, will be brought against Hollister by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Denver, but they could include fraud in relation to obtaining the president's Selective Service draft registration documents, and illegal access of the Social Security database. Hollister's Attorney could not be reached for comment."
1 April - At the American Stinker, we have Robin of Berkeley, who seems to be going birther herself after Donald Trump.
"The progressives have controlled and framed the concept right from the get-go. This has been one of the many issues (including "tea baggers") that the left has seized upon to tar conservatives."
Which hasn't been helped by the far-right going birther. Still, the "blame the victim" attitude she shows is interesting.
"The left has painted "birthers" as racists, nuts, and paranoids. What gets left out of the equation is: one, Obama has spent millions of dollars on attorneys protecting his birth certificate; "
A claim to which no evidence has ever been provided.
"two, Obama apparently traveled to Pakistan in 1981 when Americans were advised against* going there"
Except that there was no "Pakistani Travel Ban" at the time
"and three, Obama's social security number is purportedly from Connecticut, a state in which he never lived."
Based on information pulled from a public database that warns the information may not be accurate. Furthermore the zip code in question is only one digit from a Honolulu zip code, which suggests typist error if the number is accurate.
And even the SSA tells people not to rely on the geographical codes.
"Progressives will call their opponents a "tea bagger" even though the phrase is sexually explicit and lewd."
Which ignores the fact that they started out calling themselves "tea baggers" before they realized what the term meant.
"While conservatives don't have to practice gutter politics, we do need our message to penetrate the collective unconscious. "
Which doesn't stop them from practicing gutter politics quite often.
1 April - And the Pest and eFail "reports" that many of their readers and their reader's sockpuppets are resending their whiny letter to Rodger Ailes.
"I do not challenge the birth origin of 0bama (the person you refer to as President)"
Which doesn't stop you from repeating those claims anyway.
"I am not concerned at all where he was born."
No, It's become rather obvious that you're more concerned that he's the wrong party or the wrong skin colour for your tastes.
"My concern is that 0bama is Not a “natural born citizen” as required under Our constitution to be a legal President."
Funny how the US Constitution disagrees with you, eh?
"Barack Hussein Obama’s father was in fact a British Citizen. This gave Obama dual citizenship at birth. A “natural born Citizen” has always been considered to be one who was born on American soil to two American-citizen parents."
Funny how neither US law or the US Constitution backs this claim up. Almost like they made it up out of whole cloth.....
1 April - Oh dear Gods.... The Pest and eFail is known for batshit crazy, but this article amps it up to new levels.
“A CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT FRAUD AND TREASON”
by Jedi Pauly & Theresa Cao
Padawan Pauly AND Holy Cao?? Oh, I'm gonna need a lot of popcorn for this one.
"Greetings, readers of The Post & Email news. I bring you a report from the front in our continuing struggle against the unlawful tyranny that the unlawful U.S. Congress and Obama have foisted upon the American People."
You mean the elected officials that 69 million of your fellow Americans placed into office??
"I am happy to report that “Madam Speaker” Theresa Cao and I have recently formed an alliance to work together"
I think I saw a movie about this once
"Theresa Cao subscribes to the Natural Law Theory that I have discovered and attempted to describe here at The Post & Email with numerous Articles"
Oh, you mean your charming theory that citizenship is only passed though the male line (try telling that to the kids Thomas Jefferson had by Sally Hennings), and that the only purpose of a woman is as a walking womb for that sacred American sperm??
"Theresa agrees with me that by the Laws of Nature alone, that solely determine Article II “natural born Citizen” to be defined entirely by Natural Law and not Positive Law, that it only requires one to be born to a U.S. citizen father in order to qualify for the Office of President, as long as the other provisions of Article II are also met, of course. She has come to realize that your place of birth and the citizenship status of a mother are not relevant at all and have no bearing on the United States Constitution Article II qualifications for U.S. President."
That sound you hear is Cao's public defender opening the liquor cabinet and getting ready for a long night.....
"As a result, Theresa has come to realize the correct legal approach that shows to the world that her actions on January 6, 2011 in the U.S. Congress were lawful, and her arrest was therefore not lawful, and that not only is Obama illegitimate, but in fact so is the Congress."
Good luck with that defense Skippy.
"If the judge in the case is an Obama appointee, then you must first put in a Motion to remove and replace the judge with a non- Obama appointee, since you are accusing Obama of not being legitimate, which puts any Obama-appointed judge into a personal conflict of interest in this case. This motion must be brought first before the motion below. Any judge appointed by Obama cannot hear and decide upon your Motion To Dismiss"
Ask Pam Barnett how well that worked out for her.
"2) Obama was not born to a U.S. citizen father, therefore he is not legally qualified to be the President, since Article II “natural born Citizen” is defined solely by the Laws of Nature that define Natural Law, and not by U.S. Positive Law."
Somehow I suspect US legal codes and the US Constitution have something to say about how wrong you are.
"3) Due to 2) above, Congress has abandoned their right to claim they represent the American People, since Congress cannot pass any legitimate Bills into Law without a legitimate President. Furthermore, the ongoing maintenance of Obama in Office by the Congress is a violent criminal act of treason that has overthrown the Constitution of the United States and replaced the legitimate government of the People with an unlawful rival government that cannot represent the People. This ongoing act of treason by the Congress has unlawfully disenfranchised the U.S. citizens of their property by robbing the citizens of their rightful government, which has rendered Congress to be illegitimate."
Again, good luck with that, Skippy.
"Theresa Cao’s outburst equates to saying. “Stop your criminal actions against me and the People and give me back my property that you have stolen by unlawful violence”. This is a fundamental right that Theresa has, not a political criminal act of free speech."
Isn't funny how it sounded more like the lunatic rantings of a nutcase?
"Congress is no longer a legitimate representative body as long as Obama is maintained in the office of President. Therefore, Congress has no right to claim protection from being disrupted since they are now a rival criminal government to that of the lawful Constitutional government of the United States"
I'm just waiting for them to start quoting from some supposed "Constitutional Citizens Congress" or something like the secret cRAP masters.
"Even if the government’s claim to “reasonable” restrictions did apply, the restriction in this particular unique case in history would not be “reasonable” since Theresa is only exercising her fundamental rights according to the Laws of Nature"
The "Laws of Nature" allow someone the right to act like an unhinged loon?
"Since both the government Prosecutor and the Judge are attorneys who are responsible for understanding and knowing the meaning of Article II “natural born Citizen”, it cannot be claimed by the government that the government does not know that Obama is not a legitimate President. Therefore, the attempt by the government to apply the criminal statutes in this particular instance is disingenuous at best and potentially constitutes a criminal conspiracy to commit fraud and treason by maintaining the criminal political facade that Congress is legitimate and Obama is a lawful President which he clearly is not."
Wow. I was expecting to read that they should also be dismissed if the flag in the courtroom has gold fringe on it.
"For the reasons outlined above, the government has no choice but to dismiss the charges against Theresa Cao with prejudice."
And when the courtroom and judge stop laughing while the public defender is saying "please ignore the stuff falling out of my clients mouth"......
"3) This is the most important part. You want to compel Discovery upon Obama to determine if he was born to a U.S. citizen father or not. You would want to compel an Affidavit from Obama, or even better, force a Deposition from him. I would force a Deposition and ask him these questions at least:
a) Was he born to a U.S. citizen father, yes or no?
b) Is he a Constitutional scholar, yes or no?
c) Does he know what the meaning and definition of “natural born Citizen” is in Article II, yes or no? If yes, get him to disclose his understanding. If no, then ask him how he knows that he qualifies for the Office of President."
a) No
b) Yes
c) According to the US Constitution, US legal code, and 200+ years of case law, "Natural Born Citizen" has been defined legally as one who has citizenship from birth, either via jus soli or jus sanguinis. There is no requirement under US law or specified in the US Constitution that require a "Natural Born Citizen" to be both jus soli AND jus sanguinis, nor is there anything in the US legal code or the US Constitution that states citizenship is only passed down though the father. Therefore, provided the age and residency requirements are met, there is no reason why Obama cannot be President since he is, by law a natural born US citizen.
"Since Obama has a team of the best attorneys in the world they must know the truth about the true meaning and interpretation of Article II “natural born Citizen”"
And I suspect they know it a damn sight better than some internet crank does.
"It will stretch credibility if Theresa Cao, who is a simple layman, can discover and explain the obvious and simple meaning of “natural born Citizen” and how it is obviously defined by the Laws of Nature to mean born to a citizen father, and Obama with his law background and team of outstanding world-class attorneys don’t even know."
It will stretch credibility to understand how Theresa Cao can function in society without the need for massive amounts of anti-psychotic medication.
"The evidence might include but not limited to:
1) The Declaration of Independence
2) The Constitution
3) Vattel Law of Nations sections 212, 215 etc."
What, you're not going to include the parts of de Vattel's "Law of Nations" where he refers to the "jus soli" views on citizenship codified in English Common Law, the requirement that weapons ownership and use be restricted to the military and nobility, the right of kings, and the right of a country to steal women by force if needed for breeding stock??
But I thought your whole argument was based on the notion that the US Constitution is BASED on the "Law of Nations"????
"You will have an Opening Statement to the jury. I would say that you are going to show the jury what the true and obvious simple meaning of Article II “natural born Citizen” is according to the Natural Law Theory that is described by the context of history, the Declaration of Independence, Vattel, and the science of jurisprudence which defines the American legal system to be based on both Positive Law and Natural Law. I would tell the jury that this meaning is so well-founded in law and so easy and obvious to determine that it is beyond all credibility that Obama and his attorneys and the Congress do not know what it means."
At which point the choices the jury has in their minds is between "guilty" and "not guilty by reason of diminished mental capacity".
"You then proceed to show them the Natural Law Theory that proves that Article II “natural born Citizen” is simply referring to a Sovereign Citizen that is secured by the Laws of Nature as a natural political right that only comes from males (citizen father) according to the Laws of Nature that define Article II."
I was wondering when the phrase "Sovereign Citizen" would creep in to this rant.
"Apparently, the attorneys for the Rutherford Institute did some research and realized that they could not provide a defense for Theresa because they had in fact removed the political fire of Obama’s legitimacy from the case. "
No, I think they did some researched and realized the defendant is a screaming nutcase who wanted to tell them their jobs.
"I have now solved that problem, and Theresa and I now have a proper defense strategy outline (above) that will not only defend Theresa, but will also establish a court precedent that Obama is not a lawful President and Congress is also not legitimate. "
So I'm betting that Cao gets a conviction, a fine, and time served,
"The potential of this case is enormous because no matter what the government does now, as long as the defense strategy above is followed, eventually Obama and the Congress will lose and Theresa and the American People will win."
Okay, maybe 30 days and a psychological evaluation as well.
"Congress and Obama have broken the consent agreement with their voluntary unlawful actions and are therefore no longer a representative body of the People. In effect, the Congress and Obama have stolen the government and made it their own private enterprise that belongs to them and not to the People.
Teresa’s case is identical to the situation of the American Revolution as declared in the Declaration of Independence. This is the most historic and important case in American History since the foundation of our Republic."
Says the people who already think they're fighting the "Second American Revolution".
BTW, speaking of "Natural Born" citizens:
"NATURAL BORN CITIZENS. A natural born citizen of the United States is one who is a citizen by reason of his place of birth or the citizenship of his father. The two classes of naturalized and natural born citizens are thus mutually exclusive, and together constitute the entire citizen body of the United States. The Fourteenth Amendment (see) as construed in the case of United States vs. Wong Kim Ark (169 U. 8. 649) provides that every person born within the territorial limits of the United States, even though his parents be aliens, and of a race the members of which are by law excluded from naturalization, are natural-born citizens. Under certain circumstances persons born outside the territorial limits of the United States are deemed natural born citizens, as for example, children of American citizens visiting or traveling abroad. The father must, however, at some time have resided in the United States. Only natural-born citizens are eligible to the offices of President and Vice-President. See Citizenship In The United States; Naturalization, Law Of. References: G. W. Garner, IntroN to. Pol. Sci. (1910), ch. xi; F. Van Dyne, CitizensHp of U. 8. (1904)." - Andrew C. McLaughlin, Cyclopedia of American Government (1914)
Wow, that Lawrence O'Donnell video was one of the BEST media debunkings of the Birtherism myths I've seen! I would say he's been more throrough in his research and explanations than Anderson Cooper.
On the flip-side of reality, the new SVTU (super-villain team up) of Jedi Pauly & Theresa Cao... wow...just...wow...Just when you thought Orly's brand of crazy court room antics couldn't be topped... we now have the dymamic duo of deranged dunces.
Posted by: G | April 01, 2011 at 03:22 PM
> You use the term "ad hominem", I do not think you know what it means.
She's projecting, as all good cranks are.
Posted by: The Magic M | April 01, 2011 at 03:31 PM
Gail Collins has a funny column on the Donald becoming a birther (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/opinion/02collins.html?ref=gailcollins) with an interesting quote from Trump: “I didn’t think this was such a big deal, but, I will tell you, it’s turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying: please don’t give up on this issue.”
Oh, they'll call you all right, Donald. And they'll keep calling you and e-mailing you long after this is over for you, because it's never over for them. You're theirs now. Good luck getting rid of them.
Posted by: MaryRC | April 02, 2011 at 11:32 AM
Being thwarted in his home town, it looks like Fitzy has moved on to terrorizing people in nearby counties. Apparently he was asked to leave a Tea Party meeting in McMinn County meeting a month ago.
A normal person would simply leave, and would have forgotten about the incident by now. But you can see the squirming psychotic thought process in a letter published by his enabler and co-terrorist.
He has made the slight, the new central point of his existence and is now "going after" not only the gentleman who asked him to leave, but the entire Burger family and people who "they know". It is really scary when a habitual criminal with a history of violent arrests starts saying "I am at a point now where I have never been before." and "Beware the fury of the patient man."
Unlike the "P and E" no real news organization with a functioning legal department would ever allow such a clearly threatening note to be published, but that is another subject entirely.
Posted by: Carson | April 02, 2011 at 03:10 PM
More goalpost-moving, now they want the "delivery book":
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/resolving_the_birth_certificat.html
Posted by: The Magic M | April 03, 2011 at 09:46 AM
"[Obama] has done an amazing job," Trump said. "He came from nowhere." Donald Trump, "Donald Trump bashes President Bush," New York Daily News, June 10, 2008.
Seems like that didn't bother The Donald three years ago.
Posted by: GeorgetownJD | April 03, 2011 at 10:06 AM
Tribble?
Posted by: Gary Miller | April 03, 2011 at 04:40 PM