Dispatches from Birtherstan - 8 March 2011

A short dispatches today. The National Review has a "blame the victims" article that ignores their own past history. Arkansas has a birther bill now. Dr. Kate uses an old story to showcase her own hatred and bigotry. Dianna Cotter is furious over the fact the scary black man is STILL President. And Neil Turner uses the Pest and eFail to try and rile up the troops.

23 February - In an interesting "blame the victim" article, The National Review blames the media and the Democrats for "keeping the birther story alive".

"And so when a Democratic polling firm released a poll whose results conveniently said that 51 percent of Republican primary voters questioned President Obama’s place of birth, it was off to the races again — even though Republicans still were not talking about the issue except when asked about it by the media. Indeed, in three days of Conservative Political Action Conference speeches, the issue was mentioned exactly once.

Every week, party officials submit question ideas they hope Sunday-show guests will be asked. There’s no doubt that Democrats routinely push for Republican elected officials to be asked about the president’s birthplace and/or religion. Tactically, it’s a smart move: Keep the Republican elected officials talking about something they don’t believe while the media and/or the Democrats get to use the word “fringe” over and over. But let’s not confuse shrewd, if disingenuous, political tactics with substance.

Last month, the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank declared a 30-day personal moratorium on all things Sarah Palin. Here’s a suggestion for a media that appears to want to work itself into a lather over this nonsense issue: Stop talking about it. After a while, the media might like the results; in the meantime, we can discuss serious issues."

There's two funny aspects to this story. The first is that it was the National Review who really started the story that led to the birther movement back on 9 June 2008.

The second is the comments. Not only do you have commenters pointing out Republican leadership playing flirty games with the birthers:

"bob freeman
02/24/11 19:13

Maybe this silly issue *would* go away if Republican leadership would plainly say, "President Obama was born in Hawaii and is eligible to serve." And stop playing footsies with the birthers. (E.g., comments by Boehner, Cantor, Bachmann, etc.)

Self-crowned "Queen of the Birthers" Orly Taitz has pictures of herself *posing* not only with Cantor, but also Bachmann! How did *that* happen; did the mean ole media force them to do that?"

But you also have the birthers themselves posting things like:

"Jab
02/23/11 23:06

The whole lot of you are getting the big picture of this wrong.

It simply DOES NOT MATTER whether Soetero was born in the US. He's ineligible either way.

His father is (at the time of his birth) a BRITISH citizen, by their own admission. While a US birth would make him a "citizen", he would not be the "natural born citizen" as required."

and

"Nikolaj
02/23/11 20:19

Republicans, as well as their 'respectable' enablers among the pundits are cowards. The facts are:

1. Obama did not provide a proper, long-form birth certificate.
2. Obama spent about 2 million on litigation in order to prevent the release of the birth certificate.

The simple question, maybe not worth of asking in the beltway circles, but quite sensible and commonsencial for anyone else is:

WHY? Why did not he simple release a freaking certificate? Any thoughts?"

There's also a couple that take the "blame the PUMA's" approach, ignoring the fact that while the PUMA kitties have their share of the blame, it was their parroting claims that STARTED at Townhall, Free Republic, Atlas Shrugs, and, yes National Review that started the entire birther mythos in the first place.

7 March - Arkansas has their own birther bill, HB2020.

(PDF here)

And yes, it looks VERY familar:

"(B)(i) In addition to the information required under subdivision (a)(1)(A) of this section, a candidate for United States President shall file with the party and the Secretary of State evidence that he or she meets the qualifications for serving as United States President under Article 2, Section 1, of the United States Constitution, including without limitation a copy of his or her long-form birth certificate evidencing that the candidate is a natural born citizen of the United States."

(snip)

"(ii)(a) The state convention of the party or group shall file with the certificate affidavits of each of the party or group's candidates for President and Vice President, stating the candidate's citizenship and age and that the candidate meets the qualifications for serving as United States President. The affidavit shall include that the candidate meets the requisite age requirements for serving as President of the United States, is a natural born citizen of the United States, and meets the residency requirements for President of the United States under Article 20 2, Section 1, of the United States Constitution. The following documents shall be attached to the affidavit:

(1) A copy of the candidate's long-form birth certificate that includes the candidate's date of birth, the candidate's place of birth, the name of the hospital at which the candidate was born, the attending physician at the birth, and signatures of the witnesses in attendance;

(2) A sworn statement, executed by the candidate, stating that the candidate has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate's allegiance is solely to the United States of America;

Well, they didn't go the de Vattelist route, but it still violates the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the Constitution.

7 March - Dr. Kate shows her bigotry by showing pig races next to a proposed mosque in Texas.

"This is how sharia creeps…deliberately buy property next to a farmer who owns pigs, ask him to remove his pigs or move somewhere else, and then, eventually, file a suit claiming their ‘religious freedom’ has been violated…then the corrupt judiciary agrees…another American life and principle destroyed.

Misusing our constitution against us–just like Obama, the politicians, and the judiciary.

Fight back!

Ok, here are my questions:

*Are you, the muslim who bought the property, an American citizen?

*If so, what part about your oath of allegiance to the United States that said you are to renounce all allegiance to other countries, including those that practice political islam, do you not understand?

*Do you take Americans for fools?"

Her questions are interesting - since she doesn't seem to understand that there are American-born Muslims, as well as US citizens who have converted to Islam. As such, there's no reason for them to take an "oath of allegiance" because they're *gasp* NATURAL BORN US CITIZENS!!

And some Americans are fools. An example being her blog and the people who post there.

And the comments are just as hateful and bigoted as one might imagine.

"Troy
March 7, 2011 at 6:42 pm
That farmer is much kinder than me as I would have probably built a pig shit catapult and pelted him and his mosque with hog turds on a daily basis."

"heather
March 8, 2011 at 6:01 am
Right on Dr Kate! Let’s keep the pressure on these usurpers who THINK they will “steal” America from us!"

"heather
March 8, 2011 at 6:03 am
Watch and see the crap they leave behind–these people are NOT CLEAN and have no respect for anything–they are known to live in squaller.

Wonder how the DC police will handle this mess coming up–will the tea partiers be blamed for this—–even though they will not be part of this? You betcha!"

"AttilasDaughter
March 7, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Teresa Cao!
If they really put her in jail for that, they are making a big mistake.
International media is the only option.

About the muslims. I come from Europe and we have been too tolerant too long.
Tolerance only works in both directions. Muslims just demand. They demand more than they give. In most parts of their lousy lifes."

"True Patriot
March 7, 2011 at 2:30 pm
I would love to be the lawyer for these cases.

It’s called seperation of church and state and since these ragheads are not a religion they can go back into Hell where they came from!!!"

"Noway2no
March 7, 2011 at 4:12 pm
“…we are their neighbors” says the liar Muslim. Those backward-ass people don’t know the meaning of neighbor if they buy property and then expect people to bend to their will."

"heather
March 8, 2011 at 6:30 am
And where oh where are they getting this money to buy property here? None of them work–who in their cult hold a job that pays enough to buy land? Or is it barry fronting them the money?????"

"evergreen
March 7, 2011 at 7:17 pm
dr. Kate you are right, they swore to abjure all other allegiances, and to them islam is a global nation, the caliphate, and their citizenship to islam supercedes America, so they violated their oath , so they need to be deported."

Even the ones BORN here?? Or do these idiots think that conversion to Islam is automatically a renouncement of their US citizenship?

Oh, wait, yes they more than likely DO think that.

"no-nonsense-nancy
March 7, 2011 at 8:50 pm
The audacity of these people is beyond my comphrension. We really need to get the usurper out and get someone in there who will crack down on them and stop this rediculous PC.

On a lighter note, I like the guy who threw a frozen pig’s head into the mosque during prayers!! I think the guy wirh the pig farm should have a dog race along with the pig race. They don’t like dogs, either.

STOP THEM COLD!!
ARREST THE CRIMINALS!!"

Charming group of frothing at the mouth bigots, eh?? I'm starting to wonder if there's any real difference between Dr. Kate's blog and "Stormfront".

The irony is that the YouTube video Dr. Kate linked to dates to 3 October 2008, the protest itself dates to December of 2006 (and the Islamic group was not offended by the race. They did build their planned community center next to the farm)

So Dr. Kate and the turds floating in her cesspool are frothing at the mouth over something that happened over four years ago and BEFORE Obama took office as President.

I'm amazed these people have the brain power to walk and chew gum at the same time.

7 March - Dianna Cotter , writing under her freeper name of "Danae", seems to be sharing the basic birther crankiness that Obama is still president.

"To: Free ThinkerNY
How can a British Subject actually be elected POTUS, and STILL is usurping the most powerful office in the world???
Obama is Fu****g BRITISH for GOD'S SAKE! The Son of a British subject IS BRITISH! It doesn't MATTER where the *** *****d Muther *****r was born! The man should be arrested and thrown in the worst prison in the United States!!!

Crap! There IS no United States anymore. The F*****g bastard's presence has KILLED the greatest nation on earth. God DAMN him to hell. And every one of those stupid guilty bastards who helped him get there. The Constitution is broken, and no longer protects us, without the Constitution, we are a collection of sovereign states!

The entire federal government, from the Executive, to the congress to the Supremem court, all three branches has invalidated the United States of America.

The Federal Government no longer has ANY legal authority as far as I am concerned.

WTF. I cannot express my abject horror.

Forgive me, I am just absolutely overcome.... Consider this an expression of horror. Sincere horror.

31 posted on March 7, 2011 2:05:20 PM PST by Danae"

and later

"To: Hotlanta Mike
That man deserves to burn in hell for eternity.

I am feeling rather dark today. Can you tell? sigh.

60 posted on March 7, 2011 3:18:04 PM PST by Danae"

"Wahhh! The scary black man is STILL President!!! Why hasn't he gone away???"

8 March - At the Pest and eFail, Neil Turner continues that blog's march towards sedition and outright treason. Most of the article is about the case of one Sgt. Larry Hutchins, who was convicted in a military court of murder in the death of an Iraqi man, was sent to Fort Leavenworth, had his sentence overturned and was released, and then later reinstated by the Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces and was sent back to the brig. (He's currently up on a clemency hearing.)

However, Neil Turner makes this....interesting comment. (bold face mine)

"Present active-duty and former Marines know what to do in the face of the enemy, whether within or without. "

Interesting phrase there...

Comments

[Tarrant]

Danae is the Freeper who claimed to have obtained a long-form birth certificate from Hawaii last year. She posted it to freerepublic as proof that people can obtain them from the state.

Of course, the copy in question has no state seal, is not on security paper, does not state it is prima facie evidence, and is not signed by the registrar. So while Freepers claim victory, they don't seem to understand that said document (if it really was issued post-2001) would not be valid for identification, while Obama's COLB would be. Her only evidence that said document was issued post-2001 is a receipt she says came with it, that does not say it is for the document she presents.

More amusing to me, she claimed that she was speaking to Okubo, and she was asked whether she wanted an official, stamped/sealed copy, or just a photocopy, and Danae says she said an unofficial one would be fine. That to me is the most ridiculous statement of all. Why would a birther, of all people, say "Oh no I don't need a certificate with a seal" when they at the same time complain Obama's COLB lacks one? (It doesn't, but they say it does).

[Slartibartfast]

Dude! You really should warn us before you do that! I like the new look, but it was a bit of a shock..

[Greg Brown]

Whoa Nellie! Patrick, I second the motion from Slartibartfast. You be messin' with our minds, springing the new look like that, especially since I checked in earlier today for new postings, and got the old format. Nice look though.

[G]

I echo Slarti & Greg, Patrick. But kudos on the new site look. ;)

[MaryRC]

Great new look, Patrick!

[Bob Stanley]

Orly Taitz a Friend Of Cantor too! The plot thickens.

[Roscoeland.blogspot.com]

I studied American politics at college back in the 90's, and have tried to keep up with it ever since. Is there any credibility to the birther movement's claims, or are they off with the fairies?

[MaryMitch]

Roscoeland, the birthers are nuts - or at least intellectually dishonest. Check out the information on the many debunking sites linked to on the right side of the page.

[MaryMitch]

oh, and of course, there is a "Birther Mythbusting" link at the top of this page.

[Obot 1024]

Just wanted to drop a note and say the new design of the site looks great.