Today's dispatches covers a busy weekend in birtherstan. Polland/Polarik's latest makes one go "my, but how the mighty have fallen". We have birther fiction that at least admits it's fiction. Chief Editor Korir stumbles out of dawn of birther time. Conspiracy nutter Wayne Madsen is, well, mad. As a hatter.
We have the next player in Theresa Cao's parade of public defenders. Some of the PUMAs are wondering if Trump's birther net is wider than expected. Dr. Orly appears on CNN, showing why the Nitrous Queen isn't usually on Television anymore. A GOP birther and Tea Party activist gets caught sending around a racist email - and is confused why anyone would take offense at it.
Governor Jan Brewer of Arizona (Republican) hints at a birther bill veto, while Arizona's Secretary of State (Republican) says Obama's COLB meets the requirement of said birther bill. The Pest and eFail has another whine, this time that Glenn Beck still hasn't boarded the crazy train to birtherstan. Anti-Semitic Internet Outhouse Andy Martin needs to get more fiber in his diet.
Donald Trump is still going with the crazy, warning the GOP they better get on the birther bus, while still parroting long-since debunked birther claims. Dr. Kate continues her decent into madness, while her floaters are deserving of a Secret Service visit. The Pest and eFail continues to give racist bigots a home. A friend sends me a great set of stories on the Sovereign Citizen movement, The American Conservative Union gives the Indonesian Citizenship claim a home, and Dr. Orly continues the birtherstani civil war.
12 April - Seriously, has Polland/Polarik decended to simple ad hominem attacks without anything else to say??
This one's juvenile and lame, even by Polland/Polarik standards.
But, based on this 23 March 2011 video where he claims Malcolm X is Obama's real father, he really doesn't have anything else but juvenile attacks and absurd conspiracy theories.
How have the mighty fallen.....
13 April - I'm not sure how one can define "birther fiction", when every claim they have ever made is nothing but fiction. But the "Christian Fiction" novel "POTUS" (published though Lulu) is at least admitted fiction.
"When state representative and family man Joe Renfro's brother is murdered, he finds himself sucked into a deadly world of deception.
As Joe takes up his slain brother's mantle to prove that President Louise Campbell is ineligible to occupy the highest office in the land, the country is rocked by a chain of terrorist attacks stretching from New York to California.
In the chaos following the attacks, Joe stumbles across evidence that President Campbell's administration orchestrated the destruction, and now he must risk everything in order to expose the president before she unleashes war on the American people."
Chapter one is here, which shows the author may have aspirations to win the Bulwer-Lytton fiction contest if nothing else.
"Isaiah Renfro was not afraid. Not for his life, though he knew that tonight might be his last. The shadowy form tailing him had closed the gap to less than a city block, and it took every ounce of restraint Isaiah possessed not to bolt into the night. He was not afraid to die, but the story he carried must not die with him. If not for a bruised knee from a game of soccer, he had no doubt he could outrun the dark figure. "
Oh, and just in case this writer of "Christian Fiction" hasn't already shown a lack of understanding about the concept of "bearing false witnesses", the site for the novel also has a news recap of things like birther bills and the like, the whole "Certificate vs Certification" myth, and a second page with the "what if Osama bin Laden had an American child" strawman argument, complete with de Vattel argument.
13 April - From out of the mists of birther prehistory comes the thundering boots of the famous "Chief editor Korir" of "African Press International".
I guess with Donald Trump playing "K-Tel Presents - Birther Hits of Late 2008" on endless loop, I guess it was time for this classic wackadoodle to come back out.
"Now, President Obama has announced his intention to run for a second term despite a questionable citizenship.
The man born in Mombasa has managed to run the White House well and wants another term. Obama has decided not to reveal his citizenship because if he does, he will be taken to court for having ruled a country against the constitution which states that a president must be a citizen by birth.
Sources disclose to API that President Obama will write a very interesting biography revealing his birthplace, but only when he is no longer the President. One thing he should not forget, however, is the fact that he can still be prosecuted after leaving office.
The former Mombasa Imam who gave Obama’s mother the birth certificate after the birth of Barack Hussein Obama is now living in the UK after seeking for asylum in 2008 when the subject of Obama’s citizenship was in top gear. The Imam fled Mombasa to Britain where he decided to remain for his own safety. The former Imam tells API that he will soon hold a press conference on the issue."
Maybe the next thing we'll see is Philip Berg and Ed Hale getting into a bidding war with Korir again over the latest "proof" never offered.
Everything old is dumb again.
13 April - Internet Conspiracy crank Wayne Madsen claims that the White House is trying to have him killed.
"In yet another indication that America's democratic experiment is a thing of the past, this editor has received word from a source in a foreign intelligence agency allied with the United States that there has been talk by some within the Obama White House that this editor is under threat."
This source, I suspect, being your bowl of Cap'n Crunch.
"Now, we have our first African-American president and a threat to kill a journalist who is most definitely not one of their favorites has been seriously discussed."
"Wayne who?"
"Although I have attempted to pattern WMR after Anderson's and Pearson's "Merry-Go-Round" column, I do not have the luxury of newspaper syndicators or a Pulitzer Prize"
Or sanity, or reality, or coherence.....
"Preliminary plans are being made to continue the investigative journalism of this website from a safer vantage point abroad and in an environment that provides basic protection for press freedom. "
So what scam are you involved in that requires moving to a country with no extradition treaty, eh?
14 April - And Theresa Cao gets YET ANOTHER TAXPAYER FUNDED PUBLIC DEFENDER.
"04/14/2011 Order Entered on Docket Order Entered on Docket Granting Defendant's Motion for Substitution of Counsel. Attorney Sharon Burka shall be permitted to withdraw as counsel in this matter, and Attorney Mark Goldstone is hereby appointed to represent the defendant. Signed in chambers by J.Demeo on 4-14-11 and copies sent to parties. sca
04/14/2011 Motion Filed: Motion for Substitution of Counsel Filed:
Attorney: BURKA, Ms SHARON L (393635)"
15 April - The PUMA blog "HillaryIs44" seems to think Trump's birtherism goes towards Mitt Romney as well.
"Did Donald Trump know that the birth certificate issue can be used to beat up on Mitt Romney too. Is Donald Trump buying wholesale, not retail? It’s a twofer. It’s a twofer that Trump can use to not only beat up on Barack Obama but also demonstrate that Mitt, er, Willard’s lack of interest in birth certificates is self-interest. Is Donald Trump THAT smart? Gee Willikins."
15 April - Dr. Orly appears on CNN.
I suspect Dr. Orly's media appearances are her own worst enemy.
15 April - Oh, what a shock....
"This week Marilyn Davenport, a Southern California Tea Party activist and member of the central committee of the Orange County Republican Party circulated what some are calling hate e-mail to an unknown number of her fellow conservatives."
O RLY?
"Written under the words, “Now you know why — No birth certificate!”, is an Obama family portrait depicting his parents as chimpanzees."
Wow. Racist much?
"When asked if she thought the email was appropriate, Davenport is quoted as saying, “Oh, come on! Everybody who knows me knows that I am not a racist. It was a joke. I have friends who are black"
"Some of my best friends are darkies!!"
"Besides, I only sent it to a few people–mostly people I didn’t think would be upset by it.”
Namely, fellow racists?
"In February 2009, Los Alamitos Mayor Dean Grose, another Orange County Republican, emailed the White House watermelon image and then apologized. While others demanded he step down, Davenport defended him. When a Newport City Councillman voted against installing grass turf near the beach because it would “attract Mexicans”, Schroder claims that she supported him as well.
“That’s three strikes,” he says."
Oh what a surprise that.
"She blames the media for blowing this story out of proportion."
So her past history of racist comments and actions has nothing to do with it?
15 April - Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer hints she might do the sane and rational thing and veto that state's "birther bill".
"But Brewer, who was secretary of state for six years before becoming governor, said the wishes of the state legislators who support the measure may be irrelevant.
“I think my big concern probably, just shooting a little bit from the hip, is the fact that I don’t know if we regulate federal elections,’’ she said."
Well, you don't. Next?
"Seel said, though, he believes states have inherent authority “to enforce election law and determine the validity of a candidate on the ballot,’’ including the person at the top of the ticket.
He also said the bill, going to Brewer this coming week, is not designed to attack the 2012 candidacy of incumbent Barack Obama."
If that's the case, then why is it that the list of acceptable documents just *happens* to be those documents that the birtherstani assume that Obama doesn't have?? Rather than a normal state-issued certificate of birth or a current US Passport.
Seel is, in fact, lying though his teeth.
"Brewer would not directly answer the question of whether she believes Obama was born in the United States. But she said there is evidence to believe he is.
“It’s been stated by the governor (of Hawaii), Linda Lingle, who I spoke with directly, that he was born in Hawaii,’’ she said."
*Chuckle*
"Lisa Hauser, considered one of the top election experts in Arizona, said the legislation could be interpreted to simply ensure that requirement has been satisfied.
But Hauser said the mandate for production of documents might be imposing an additional qualification on the ability to run for president. And that, she said, is beyond the power of the state.
Beyond that, Hauser said the measure could be seen as providing the secretary of state with entirely too much discretion to decide who is and is not entitled to run.
“The deal has always been, at least here in Arizona, is that the secretary of state accepts whatever the candidates bring them,’’ she said. Hauser said it is them up to a political foe to challenge the ability of that person to run for the office, whether because the candidate did not submit sufficient signatures or is not legally qualified to run."
So far so sane. Oh, and in comments (bold face mine):
"NothingButTheTruth posted at 11:01 am on Sun, Apr 17, 2011.
Why so much opposition to something that should have no impact what so ever? Don't you want your president to have been born in America? You keep saying this is about Obummer when in fact it wont effect his election in this red state at all. Even if Obummer continues to hide the documents and can't get on the AZ ballot, it wont affect his chances of winning our electoral votes. He couldn't win here even if he were white.
Racist much?
15 April - OCWeekly also comments on Marilyn Davenport's monkey picture.
"Under the words, "Now you know why no birth certificate," there's an Obama family portrait showing them as apes.
(Donald Trump must be elated to finally have an explanation about Obama's true birth circumstances.)"
*Chuckle*
"Scott Baugh, chairman of the OC Republican Party, told Davenport that the email was tasteless, Davenport--a Fullerton-based political activist--admitted to me during the telephone interview.
"You're not going to make a big deal about this are you?" she asked me. "It's just an Internet joke."
But Baugh believes the email is a big deal.
"When I saw that email today I thought it was despicable," Baugh said. "It is dripping with racism and it does not promote the type of message Orange County Republicans want to deliver to the public. I think she should consider stepping down as an elected official.""
Sounds like Davenport may be under the bus soon... Let's see if they have the courage to do the right thing, or if her status as a "Tea Party Activist" covers her rear.
"But Davenport does not appear ready to concede she has made a mistake. After this story was published, she sent another email to fellow California conservative activists. It demanded to know the identity of "the coward" who supplied me with a copy of her offensive email."
Damage control much?
15 April - The Pest and eFail has a "Blog of the Day from "Nobarack08", who provided the racist pictures the Pest and eFail was called out upon recently, and who has a poster section full of such images
"This week’s rant on the so-called ‘birthers’ was his lasted diatribe into covering up for his inaction and denying the facts that have been sent to Glenn numerous times by a multitude of people.
Glenn Beck on his radio show stated the following; “Stop with the damn birth certificate! Stop! If you’re going to lose your country– we’re going to lose it on a birth certificate? You have a real opportunity to talk about American exceptionalism … instead you’re going to waste time on the birth certificate? You’re out of your mind if you think that is a winning argument for the next election. You’re out of your mind. You have to go fight the battle on the principles of America!”"
Translation - "Wahh! Even Glenn Beck isn't crazy enough to get on the train to birtherstan! Wahhh!"
"Three years ago emails and information were sent to you regarding Barack Husein Obama, his radical associations, the questionable past, including no background check, inconsistencies and evidence of document forgery among other issues that you conveniently ignored, dismissed, and ridiculed."
You mean the growing pile of conspiracy rants, false claims, outright lies, and debunked myths that is the birthers stock in trade?
"Sounds like you were using the same Saul Alinsky tactics that you spout the radicals using. Must have picked that up in the small sleepy town of Mount Vernon; I hear it rains a lot there and can be a psychological downer."
Speaking of "alinsky-style" tactics....
BTW, Mount Vernon is quite lovely. It's one of the leading growers of tulips in the United States, and the rain averages from a low of 1.20 inches in August, to a high of 4.83 inches in November. Temperatures ranges from 74 in the Summer to 45 in the Winter. (Seattle, about 62 miles south of Mount Vernon, averages more rain than Mount Vernon does.
"Three years ago, we did not have the mounting evidence that has surfaced concerning Barack Abdallah Husein Obama, whose claims have never been proven to be factual or substantiated."
Oh now, that's funny. The writer calls Obama "Barack Abdallah Husein Obama", and then states that none of Obama's claims are factual or substantiated. When in fact, none of the birthers claims have EVER been "proven to be factual or substantiated"
Irony much?
Oh look. Seditionist Neil Turner seems to have climbed on board Padawan Pauly's crazy train.
"Neil Turner says:
Sunday, April 17, 2011 at 10:06 AM
"...Those unalienable (cannot be taken away nor given away) Rights come from Natural Law, and Natural Law sovereignty and allegience descends through the father. "
And then adds this nice little bit of anti-Semitism.
"The Jews may have reversed this, as they declared that these soverign rights (jus sanguinis) descend through the mother, but Natural Law preceeds even the Jewish Nation, and thus they were in violation of those Natural Laws. It is therefore a NON-ISSUE."
Racist much? But wait, there's more:
"Neil Turner says:
Sunday, April 17, 2011 at 10:12 AM
...However, if it turns out that (or he declares that) his father is someone other that BHO Sr., then his entire election and tenure in Office was by ‘dissembling, fraud, and deceit’, acts of Sedition at best, and Treason at worst.
Both acts carry a sentence of hanging by one’s scrawny little neck until dead.
So having a father that isn't listed on one's birth certificate carries the death penalty?
HUH???
"Jon Carlson says:
Saturday, April 16, 2011 at 7:45 PM
"...No need to have a birth certificate, just a pen and pencil. Obama with his broken spoken English is a FOREIGNER, A NAZI GERMANY SPY. Call him Atomic Obama for his role in the atomic bomb placed in the Gulf oil well destroying America’s greatest treasure, the Gulf of Mexico. Are you ticked off?"
What the HELL is this person babbling about?
Then there's (bold face mine):
"One Pissed-off Vietnam Vet says:
Friday, April 15, 2011 at 10:35 PM
It is noteworthy that Beck said “If you’re going to lose your country”. Not me, my wife and I helped build the birther bandwagon back in ’08. We have purchased many weapons, have thousands of rounds and have been active in encouraging others to do the same.
Charming.
"My forgiveness fuse has run out. I’m getting really sick and tired of my fellow “citizens” not giving a damn about our country."
Your "fellow citizens" do give a damn about our country. Which includes protecting it from racist jackasses such as yourself.
15 April - From the campaign blog of anti-Semitic Internet Outhouse Andy Martin.
"Obama author/expert Andy Martin plans to drop another “Birther Bomb” on the Obama campaign at a New York news conference Monday, April 18th"
I think I dropped a bomb or two like that after nights of dodgy curry or cheap microwave burritos.
"Join the New Ronald Reagan Revolution"
Ego much?
"Thursday evening I will be enjoying ‘Greek Night’ at the Palm Beach Steakhouse."
But enough about his sex life.
“Friday I will release my communication to the U. S. Grand Jury seeking extended investigation of the Mafia’s influence in the Republican Party."
"U.S. Grand Jury"?? Fantasy Tiddlywinks thing, or real jury?
"Newton Gingrich was a crook in Congress, he has been a crook out of congress, and he would be a crooked president if he stumbled into the White House. "
Wow, a broken clock IS correct twice a day.
16 April - And Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett (a Republican), states that in his professional opinion, the State of Hawaii COLB that Obama has released in the past meets the requirements of Arizona's birther bill.
Cue the birthers screaming in rage in 3....2.....1.....
16 April - Zombie ferret wearer Donald Trump is warning the GOP not to back down on the birther blather.
"Donald Trump snapped back Saturday at party leaders like House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) who accuse him of being less than serious about his presidential ambitions, warning Republicans that abandoning the conspiracy theories surrounding President Obama's birth certificate will harm the party.
In an exclusive interview with TPM recorded before Trump spoke to what those in attendance called a record crowd at the Palm Beach County Tax Day Tea Party rally, Trump said Republicans like Cantor dismiss the birther issue at their peril.
"I think it's a very bad thing for Cantor to have done," Trump said, "because I'll tell you, people love this issue especially in the Republican Party. "
Again, where have the sane republicans gone?
16 April - And meanwhile, remember the "researchers" Trump claimed to have in Hawaii??
"Donald Trump says he's got investigators poring over records of President Obama's birth in Hawaii, but in an interview with TPM here today, he declined to give any details on the so-called probe, or even if he's paying for it."
So, World Nut Daily hasn't told you what the results are yet?
16 April - So does Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney and the go-to guy for the birthers, buy into the birtherstani conspiracy claims?
"I am certain that the president was born in Hawaii -- I really am," Cohen said.
Oh, the Pest and eFail won't like to hear that.....
16 April - Digby makes an observation about the birtherstani.
"People think this is funny, but it really isn't. This is how half the nation winds up being a bunch of fact-free idiots, ready to waste the country's time and resources on silly witch hunts and media circuses. This is a nonsensical claim as anyone with a brain knows. But when John King allows this nut to spout off without effectively rebutting her there is a not incidental number of people who apply the "where there's smoke there's fire" logic and conclude that there must be something weird or John King wouldn't be covering it.
If some celebrity halfwit like Trump is trying to boost his own profile with junk like this and the media feels it cannot ignore it, they have an obligation to affirmatively and strongly rebut this nonsense. This is how presidents end up getting impeached over blow jobs. You think it's ridiculous now, but wait until term two when they have completely lost their minds. "
16 April - Marilyn Davenport continues to dig herself deeper, with a non-apology apology.
"This afternoon, Marilyn Davenport sent an email to fellow Orange County Republican elected officials, apologizing if anyone was offended by her depicting President Barack Obama as an ape--while also blasting the "liberal media" for reporting the story."
Yeah, how dare the media report that you're a racist with a past history of such??
"I simply found it amusing regarding the character of Obama and all the questions surrounding his origin of birth," Davenport wrote."
The only "questions" being the ones that people like you continue to ask despite the mounds of evidence proving he was born in Hawaii.
"In no way did I even consider the fact he's half black when I sent out the email."
Suuuurrrreee you didn't.
Do you REALLY think that people are this stupid??
"Davenport contuned: "That being said, I will NOT resign my central committee position over this matter that the average person knows and agrees is much to do about nothing."
Then let's see if they have the courage to dismiss her then.
"Tim Whitacre, a longtime conservative Orange County Republican activist in Santa Ana, defended Davenport: "Marilyn Davenport is a staunch, ethical Republican lady."
And a racist conspiracy nutter as well it seems.
"There is nothing unethical about this from a party standpoint because it wasn't sent out to the party at large with any racist statements and it wasn't signed as a central committee member."
No, it was sent BY one though.
"As a private individual, she is just real big on Birther stuff. One of her passions that drives her is the president's lack of forthrightness about where he was born. Marilyn believes that nobody knows where he was born and so this picture says a thousand words."
Yes, this picture DOES say a thousand words....about Davenport's character. And the President HAS been forthright about where he was born - it's people like Davenport who claim otherwise.
16 April - Trump continues to double down on the dumb.
"During the Hannity interview, Hannity and Trump speculated that Obama's real birth certificate might contain information he does not want the public to see, such as information stating that he was a Muslim. Trump then segued into questioning Obama's whole background.
"Look, he was born 'Barry Soetero.' Somewhere along the line, he changed his name," said Trump -- referring to the surname of Obama's mother's second husband, Lolo Soetoro, whom she married four years after Obama was born. "I heard he had terrible marks, and he ends up in Harvard. He wrote a book that was better than Ernest Hemingway, but the second book was written by an average person."
"You suspect Bill Ayers?" said Hannity.
"I said, Bill Ayers wrote the book," Trump replied."
Let's see. Religion isn't on the birth certificate, his mom didn't meet Lolo Soetoro until when Obama was four, he's implying "affirmative action" in the case of Harvard, and repeats the tired old lie about Ayers.
Little bit of everything there.
"Barack Obama wouldn't be president -- and, you know, I wrote many best sellers, and also, number one bestsellers including The Art of the Deal. So I know something about writing."
Except the slight little fact that the "Art of the Deal" was ghost-written by Tony Schwartz, and “How to Get Rich,” “Think Success,” and “Trump 101" was co-written by Meredith McIver.
16 April - More projection from Dr. Kate.
"Carrying water for Obama, the lies of the left, the right, the ‘false patriots’, and the media have reached the desperation stage and are in overdrive. "
Funny, the only people I see who are "desperate" are the birthers.
"As if it couldn’t get any worse, Obama is given a chance to rehabilitate himself by George Stephanopolus, and visibly behaves and speaks like he is lying."
As "proof" of this, Dr. Kate links to a report by the "Northwest Intelligence Network", a birther-friendly conspiracy cite ran by Douglas J. Hagmann. Not exactly an unbiased source, eh?
Oh, and the infighting the birthers engage in on a regular basis? All part of the conspiracy.
"They have even subtly engaged our so-called ‘friends’ to wage a deceptive war against other patriots, all in the name of ‘having the key piece of research’ that no one else has, or wanting to be in a position of ‘i told you so’.
But the ‘tricks’ are not over with yet…ignoring and ridiculing have not worked, infiltrating the patriots is not working as well as they want, "
This is great. Dr. Kate is even accusing her fellow birthers of being part of this deep dark conspiracy to support and prop up Obama.
"Again the entire plan must all be looked at as an effort to focus the discussion away from natural born citizenship and on to place of birth, and to minimize the significance of the research and findings relevant to Obama’s foreign status."
Dr. Kate herself was PART of the birth certificate debate, having once claimed she had proof Obama was born in Canada.
"f you put all the supposed birth certificates and COLB’s in one room on the floor or a table, you would have a mess of thousands of dollars and hours of time devoted to false documents focused on birth place. And there is so much information about a Kenyan birth, none of which has been verified, that it becomes just one big mess.
Is this an intentional overload of information designed to discredit Article II by focusing solely on birth place?"
No, it's a massive pile of crap from a batch of wingnut conspiracy cranks who are upset a scary black man was elected president over a safe white man or woman.
"Shouldn’t we just stop this and stop everything until Obama is forced to leave? This idiot obama is the one person who should be stepping up and he hasn’t."
One of the principals of the Justice system in the United States is that burden of proof rests on the accuser. Obama has given your claims the respect they deserve - mainly none at all.
And among the floaters in her cesspool (bold face mine)
"sky
April 16, 2011 at 10:30 pm
This traitor in the white house needs to get out now or taken out.He is a domestic enemy now.Dont ever forget Nixon had to get out,at least he did go on his own.So whats the hold up? Now if this isnt done now {the military and secret sevice not doing their job]2012 and this country will be alot different.We need to stop this 2012 b.s.Dont forget you dont vote a communist or a shriah islamic dictator out.If this was a republican he or she would probley be forced out."
And of course:
"heather
April 17, 2011 at 12:17 pm
There will be dancing in the streets!!"
And
"heather
April 17, 2011 at 12:48 pm
And they know that we all know! Do you suppose that they are walking on eggshells waiting for the people to take over–not knowing a date, time or anything other than we are coming for them! That’s what a surprize is!"
And today's visit from the Secret Service goes to..
"drkate
April 16, 2011 at 11:46 pm
LOL “What’s the difference between a democrat and a republican?”
Answer: “One is a communist, the other is communist lite”"
I think a can of dried up play-doh has more political knowledge than Dr. Kate.
"heather
April 17, 2011 at 8:04 pm
What pisses me off about these radio jocks is if they don’t like your question or even statement–they belittle you and pull the plug-whereas the caller never gets out what they called for. Just a form of shutting us up. "
You mean just like Dr. Kate does on her blog?
"RacerJim
April 18, 2011 at 7:18 am
.... All I’m thinking about is exposing the usurper and getting him out of the White House asap — that is what my cross-hairs are centered on. "
Make that TWO visits from the Secret Service....
"anonymouse
April 18, 2011 at 1:31 am
The bots keep changing the definition of NBC"
We do? Last I saw, we weren't the one's trying to ignore US law and rewrite the US Constitution.
"1st they said it was all CABs (Citizens at Birth) but since US Code 1401 defines all CABs but omits born in country of citizen parentS, that’s like saying the real NBC isn’t a NBC!"
United States Code, Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Paragraph 1401
"The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;"
And since a "natural born citizen" is legally one who had citizenship from birth....
"2nd they said NBC was jus soli only, but as the CRA1866 proves, jus soli only-s are not even US Citizens at all"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1866" target="_new">Civil Rights act of 1866 (bold face mine)
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States; and such citizens, of every race and color, without regard to any previous condition of slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall have the same right, in every State and Territory in the United States, to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property, as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, and penalties, and to none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding."
Seems like it confirms Jus Soli just fine, thank you.
"3rd they said it was the 14th amendment’s “born subject to jurisdiction” but this clause was added specifically for former slaves who were born nation-less, not for foreign communist usurpers OR anchor babies (who are jus sanguinis Mexican and so are born subject to the jurisdiction of Mexico)."
United States Constitution, Amendment 14, Paragraph 1:
"1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Is it my imagination, or is every single thing cited so far proving the exact opposite of what "anonymouse" is claiming?
"4th now that the COLB is busted they’re saying his American mom sufficed, but she was too young to even confer statutory Citizenship, and even if she was old enough, he’d only still be a statutory citizen."
ONLY if the child was born outside of the United States does this come into play.
"The Demonkkkrats have been laughed out of court repeatedly, they’ve tried to legislate around the constitution, they’ve tried to make resolutions to change the definition of NBC…"
Let's see. How many court cases have the birthers won so far??
That's right. None. So who is getting laughed out of court??
"NBC=born incountry of citizen parentS
SIMPLE!"
What, you didn't want to use the original German??
Oh, look who showed up !
"Squeeky Fromm - Girl Reporter
April 18, 2011 at 7:37 am,
What I don’t understand is why it is soooo hard for the “Sophisticated” Republicans to understand what a soft ball Obama has dropped into their lap.
I use the KISS MATRIX Analyis which is:
1. KENYA. He is born in Kenya, or there is something embarrassing on the long form.
2. IGNORANT. Obama is too ignorant to think of the simple answer.
3. SNOBBY. Obama thinks Americans are too stupid to believe the REAL THING!
4. SLIMY. Obama thinks it is OK to make some Americans look crazy if it gets him votes.
Sooo, even if you don’t think he is from Kenya,why would anybody skip pointing out: IGNORANT and/or SNOBBY and/or SLIMY???
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter"
Let's see. Juvenile, meaningless, and full of nonsensical ad hominem attacks. Squeeky will do just fine there.
17 April - At the Pest and eFail, "One Pissed-off One Vietnam Vet" goes off on one of his bigoted rants again.
"Welcome, students."
Oh great, the ignorant leading the stupid.
"Today we’ll be covering a topic that most of you already know, but for those who haven’t had the advantage of a public library card and the opportunity to use it, we’ll assume that what we’ll teach today is new and, I hope, exciting."
Why do I doubt this?
"Now I know that I really went fast, maybe too fast for those who aren’t familiar with the different governments around the world, but the point that I want to make is to clear up the misconception that Islam is a religion. It’s not. It’s a form of control that leaves no room for discussion, debate, or questions about anything, at any time, anywhere."
Actually it's not just a religion per se, but it's an Abrahamic religion, descended from Judaism in much the same way Christianity is. While "One Pissed-off One Vietnam Vet" may not WANT to think of it as a faith, it is one, and one that's protected under the same Freedom of Religion clauses in the Constitution that protects all religions in this country.
"Leaving the fold is signing one’s death certificate in Islam."
Depends on the culture. Places like Saudi Arabia and other fundementalist areas might see it as such. By and large most Western Muslims would go "eh, so?" at the idea.
"A Muslim is one who adheres to the totalitarian system of rule (government) and whose allegiance is totally to that rule, and none other"
No, a Muslim is one who has placed him or her self under the will of God, made a statement of faith, and who attempts to live by the practices of Islam.
"having Muslims in America is akin to having a rattlesnake in a rabbits’ hutch. It begs the question: Why?"
Actually I could ask that question about racist asshats. Ultimately I think people like "One Pissed-off One Vietnam Vet" do more damage to this country than Islam would do.
17 April - And the Pest and eFail gives the space for Monique Haen, the writer of the birther fiction novel "POTUS", to review her own book.
"It is a fresh wave washing onto the birther shore."
Funny, smells like the same old rotten sewage.
"It is a Christian political thriller with the potential not only to entertain, but also to enlighten fellow Americans who remain unaware of Obama’s eligibility problems."
Hmm. I guess Monique Haen never read the parts of the Bible that say things like:
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." - Exodus 20:16"Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness. " - Exodus 23:1
"A wicked person listens to deceitful lips; a liar pays attention to a destructive tongue." - Proverbs 17:4
"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. " - Proverbs 6:16-19"You love evil rather than good, falsehood rather than speaking the truth." - Psalm 52:3
"And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. " - Matthew 19:16-19
Sounds like Ms. Haen has some soulsearching to do if she thinks this piece of tripe shows her as a good witness for her faith.
"I owe much of the credit for my own “birther awakening” to Attorney Leo Donofrio whose lawsuit, Donofrio v. Wells, challenged the eligibility of Barack Obama, John McCain, and Roger Calero. But unlike many birthers, Donofrio focused on the British citizenship of Obama’s father, rather than on Obama’s birthplace, as disqualifying him for the office of president."
And how did Donofrio's argument and claims hold up in a court of law? Oh, right. Denied.
"Call it a stealth attack. Sometimes fiction has a way of penetrating closed minds in a way raw facts cannot."
Witness why the birthers are therefore so resistant to raw facts, and have allowed fiction to penetrate their closed minds to the point they believe it's truth when it's still nothing more than lies.
17 April - A friend of mine sends me this Friend of mine passed on this very interesting set of articles on the Sovereign Citizen movement. It's from the Memphis, Tennessee Commercial Appeal,
Of note, the interactive map here:
And if you click on a certain red marker in Tennessee, you get:
"Monroe County, Tennessee
Walter Fitzpatrick, a retired naval officer, was arrested for trying to conduct a citizen's arrest of a grand jury foreman in Monroe County. Apparently the jury foreman had refused to convene a grand jury to indict President Barack Obama for treason. After Fitzpatrick was arrested, a man named Carl Swennson from Georgia asked for volunteers to go to the Monroe County jail, release Fitzpatrick and make citizens arrests. A third man named Darren Huff, also from Georgia, was taken into custody when he told police he had an AK-47. Huff is a militia member and a member of an extremist group called the Oath Keepers."
18 April - Over at Slate, David Weigel reports that yes, the American Conservative Union is going birther, and yes, they are planning to run with the Indonesian Citizenship myth.
"One of the groups in the American Conservative Union is robocalling people on the ACU's list as part of a campaign to investigative/impeach President Obama over the birth certificate controversy. Conservative Majority, which is part of the ACU, has been running the campaign for two or three months. (Corsi reports that one of the people who's filed a fruitless Obama lawsuit has gotten the call.)"
The link to the "Conservative Majority" page with the talking points is here.
"Here are the key facts:• Obama was born in Kenya, and eyewitness reports from his father's family confirm this.
• When he moved to Indonesia in 1966, he changed his name, renounced his U.S. citizenship and took up the religion of Islam.
• That means when Obama returned to America in 1971, he would have been required to file applications with the U.S. State Department to become a naturalized citizen – otherwise he is technically an illegal alien!
Obama doesn't understand American values. He's trying to change America on purpose – and we now know why! And we finally have the argument to get rid of Obama. Instead of giving evidence to clear his name, Obama has spent millions to dodge every legal battle. As the nation's oldest and most respected conservative group, we're working to expose the truth!
We've uncovered damaging new information, including an affidavit from a state official in Hawaii admitting: there is no long-form birth certificate (even the Governor admitted he couldn't find anything!). And now that we have a Conservative Majority in the House, rather than another lawsuit, we're lobbying for the appointment of a Special Prosecutor - and even a full Impeachment Hearing. It's time to finally get some answers! "
It's a pretty average version of the Indonesian Citizenship myth, mixed with the claim that Hawaiian Governor Abercrombie said he couldn't find a birth certificate (he never said such), and calls for a special prosecutor - or worse. Berg is gonna be upset they stole his act though.
18 April - And in the birtherstani civil war.
"04/18/2011 175[RECAP] REPLY First MOTION to Disqualify Counsel Philip J. erg Motion to terminate attorney Berg, as not licensed to practice in this jurisdiction 172[RECAP] filed by Defendants DEFEND OUR FREEDOMS FOUNDATIONS, INC., ORLY TAITZ. (Attachments: # 1[RECAP] Exhibit criminal record of 23 felony charges and 10 felony convictions for forgery and grand theft of Lisa Liberi, legal assistant to attorney Berg, # 2 Exhibit opposition to pro hac vice of Berg in case 10-1573)(Taitz, Orly) (Entered: 04/18/2011)"
Dr. Orly still seems to think that a Plaintiff can be disqualified by the court.
(Scribd link here)
"Berg provided some 30 pages in total of outrageous unfounded allegations and slander of Defendants' attorney Taitz"
Which is different from your outrageous unfounded allegations and slander of anyone you don't like how??
"Berg was repeatedly sanctioned by federal judges"
Pot, meet kettle....
"The fact that an attorney is admittedly using as his legal assistant a document forger with multiple felony convictions of forgery, undermines the case and places in question veracity of any documents submitted by the office of such attorney."
So Charles E. Lincoln, III was okay, but Lisa Liberi wasn't? I guess anything (and anyone) that Orly Taitz is doing at that time is okay in the eyes of Orly Taitz.
I always love these birther blogs and "newspapers" like API that claim that some person with amazing and damaging and conclusive evidence is bringing it to THEM exclusively.
Obama was born in Hawaii. But if he wasn't, and you had the absolute and conclusive evidence of such, there are organizations that would pay a ton of money for it. Chances are you wouldn't offer it to African Press International as your first move. But since they're making it up out of whole cloth, why not claim it? The believers will believe no matter how illogical it sounds, and everyone else will ignore it.
Posted by: Tarrant | April 18, 2011 at 05:34 PM
I'm thinking that Trump is doing the Democrats and sane independents a favor, because this high-profile birtherism is smoking out the morons, incipient loons, and cynical manipulators for everyone to see, the people, especially in government, who have been hiding behind their offices and waiting for this to blow over. Now, they have to take a stand, and some of them are taking that walk on the wild side.
Posted by: Greg Brown | April 18, 2011 at 05:44 PM
....aaaaand Governor Brewer of Arizona has delivered her promised veto, and te birtherstani are already crying foul, and openly wondering if she was either threatened, or bought off.
Or just maybe after discussing it with her Attorney General she realized she didnt want the state paying for all the lawsuits?
Posted by: Tarrant | April 18, 2011 at 06:26 PM
"But Davenport does not appear ready to concede she has made a mistake. After this story was published, she sent another email to fellow California conservative activists. It demanded to know the identity of "the coward" who supplied me with a copy of her offensive email."
Damage control much?"
If that's damage control that ship is going to sink, fast.
Posted by: milspec | April 18, 2011 at 07:00 PM
"• When he moved to Indonesia in 1966, he changed his name, renounced his U.S. citizenship and took up the religion of Islam."
Do these banshees ever stop to think that in 1966 he was FIVE FUCKIN' YEARS OLD?!?
Posted by: Shay | April 18, 2011 at 07:03 PM
Well, beyond the usual crazy and treasonous talk...there sure seems to be yet another uptick in the violent rhetotic of some of these unhinged folks.
Obama will definitely need to up his Secret Service staff during the 2012 campaign. In 2007/8, very few of these bigots took the idea seriously that he could be elected...and they've been frothing mad ever since.
We should take very seriously the concern that some unhinged bigots are going to try to commit violence or murder in order to prevent his re-election.
On a related note, thanks for the updates & links on the crazy Sovereign Citizen nuts. What the heck is going on in FL??? According to the map, that place is chock full of Sovereign incidents...
I wouldn't be surprised to see another Ruby Ridge or Waco type situation in the next few years either. These people are truly unhinged.
Posted by: G | April 18, 2011 at 07:32 PM
Squeeky is trolling for blog hits, as she has been for the past year, since her three sad pages have no readers. She desperately wants to be a "player" on the birther stage, so she shills on various forums that the wackos inhabit. She envisions mining that deposit of crazy that carried Ed Hale, Larry Sinclair, et al for a while. However, methinks, that the lode is nearly tapped out.
Someone should tell her that, since Christine O'Donnell, the Kochsuckers have no interest in financing the rise of another wacko, so her act is being wasted.
Get a job, Squeeky.
Posted by: Monkey Boy | April 19, 2011 at 12:54 AM
> And Theresa Cao gets YET ANOTHER TAXPAYER FUNDED PUBLIC DEFENDER.
I really wonder at what point the judicial system will say "stick with your public defender or, well, good luck on your own".
> "having Muslims in America is akin to having a rattlesnake in a rabbits’ hutch."
Well, lookie at "Racer Jim" in the comments section that Sharon allowed through moderation:
"I still vividly recall participating in Belton’s annual rattlesnake population reduction via shot-gun (lol)"
Isn't inciting/condoning violence against religious groups a crime in the US?
> including an affidavit from a state official in Hawaii
Ah, the Tim Adams babble. Funny how fast a part-time intern who won't name his sources can become "a state official".
Actually, I enjoy watching more and more "conservative" groups go down the rabbit hole. Maybe this will, in the long run, put an end to the credibility of those who are patriots or Christians in name only, once their utter loonyness, bigotry and racism is exposed. It will do the country good, I believe.
Posted by: The Magic M | April 19, 2011 at 02:54 AM
I just wonder - what happens if the defendant simply refuses every defender appointed?
I can envision what's happening. One gets appointed, and they recommend that she take the practically zero-penalty plea bargain. She gets pisses, and insists she wants to go to trial, and shows the attorney her Obama screed, FitzPatrick's "evidence", says she wants discovery of the birth certificate, etc. The public defender then points out that none of those things are germane to the charges and wouldn't be allowed, and Cao responds by calling them a Traitor, Treasonous, Coward, and insists that she will not accept them as her attorney.
However, much like birthers in any court, losing over and over, I can't see any public defender agreeing with her and being willing to jump down this futile rabbit hole, so I just wonder how this can end. There will NEVER be one she can accept. She claims every one so far is a treasonous Obama plant.
Posted by: Tarrant | April 19, 2011 at 04:21 AM
Maybe throwing a bunch of public defenders out translates to pleading insanity?
Posted by: The Magic M | April 19, 2011 at 04:24 AM
> Dr. Orly still seems to think that a Plaintiff can be disqualified by the court.
I'm still perplexed someone with such little knowledge of the law is allowed to practice as an attorney.
In my country, you may only practice law if you've graduated from an official university. Is it really possible in the US to just "buy your degree" from some online "university" and be allowed to call yourself a lawyer?
Posted by: The Magic M | April 19, 2011 at 04:43 AM
Magic M:
In almost all states one has to have a degree from an accredited school of law to sit for the bar examination. However, California, where Orly has her license, doesn't have that requirement. She got her "degree" from an online "law school", and in California that's OK (I think they assumed someone without actual legal training wouldn't be able to pass, so why bother). So she took the bar examination and passed.
Joke's on California I guess.
Posted by: Tarrant | April 19, 2011 at 05:46 AM
Once again they let Orly run all over them. Sure she sounds crazy, and we know the false assertions she makes, almost by heart.
While CNN did rebut about 3 of her assertions, they let her get about 12 more out completely without objection. So the general public, mostly hearing this for the first time will think there is something to it.
Once again they let the bit about the 2 million legal bill to pass as truth. Also, the birth certificate that you can supposedly get for a foreign born kid, and about 10 others flew by without objection.
Don't kid yourself. Orly won that interview, and she won big.
Posted by: Colby | April 19, 2011 at 01:07 PM
> So she took the bar examination and passed.
Which then begs the question, assuming the examiners were not all guests of the Dental Chair O'Love, was she still sane back then or does she file these bogus lawsuits on purpose?
Posted by: The Magic M | April 20, 2011 at 07:21 AM
"Preliminary plans are being made to continue the investigative journalism of this website from a safer vantage point abroad and in an environment that provides basic protection for press freedom. Unfortunately, the United States is no longer a safe place for independent journalists."
Hey Pat, maybe Tim Adams can tell Wayne how to get one of those Sovereign passports.
Posted by: June bug | April 20, 2011 at 02:26 PM
Magic M -- "crazy" and "smart enough to pass a written test" are not mutually exclusive.
Posted by: Shay | April 20, 2011 at 04:50 PM