In an extra-long dispatches (sorry about forgetting to post friday), World Nut Daily goes all Polariky. The birthers get another court loss. Media Matters goes into birther debunking. Pam Barnett continues her courtroom jihad against Damon Dunn for daring to get more votes than Dr. Orly. PolitiFact comments on the Sarah Obama myth - and Ron McRae tries to use Lucas Smith's work to back his claim.
Salon debunks World Nut Daily. Mysterious scars. The sponsor of Arizona's birther bill flies to meet Trump - and is given homework in return. Trump seems to have a birtherstani connection with - drumroll please - World Nut Daily, while he continues to check off a list of which debunked birther talking point to throw out each day. Meanwhile, Trump shows how thin-skinned he is when his birtherism is challenged by things like "facts", "evidence" and "reality".
The Pest and eFail continues their support of sedition and racism. Sen. Rubio tells Trump to knock it off. More bile from Dr. Kate, along with her admiration for Lame Cherry AND threats from her floaters as well. Dr. Orly is annoyed that World Nut Daily called her lies for what they were.
FactCheck finds Trump to be a lying sack of crap with a bad comb-over. Padawan Pauly finds a kindred spirit. Sarah Palin repeats the "$2 Million" claim, which Salon traces back to - World Nut Daily! Walter Fitzpatrick gives legal advice to Theresa Cao. Dr. Chiyome Fukino, in a "don't you people have LIVES??" moment, confirms that, yes indeed, she has seen Obama's "long form" birth certificate, so can't the crazy people shut up?? Miki Booth promply shows Dr. Fukino that no, the crazy people can't shut up.
Philip Berg tells Dr. Orly "you're can't have me dismissed, I'm a plantiff!". The Pest and eFail hopes Arizona goes full-tilt de Vattelist. Hollister is getting grumpy. And "BJ Smartazz's" Thomas video gets booted from YouTube.
7 April - Jack Cashill at World Nut Daily seems to be channeling Polland/Polarik. As his latest claim about Obama shows.
"In his definitive 2010 biography of Barack Obama, "The Bridge," New Yorker editor David Remnick features a photograph of a dapper young Barack Obama sitting between his grandparents on a Central Park bench.
The bench is real. The grandparents are real. The wall behind them is real. Barack Obama is not. He has been conspicuously photoshopped in. Who did this and why remains as much a mystery as Obama's extended stay in New York."
"The irrepressible researcher Orly Taitz secured a document through the National Student Clearinghouse on Obama's Columbia attendance.
The document confirms Obama's graduation from Columbia with a political science degree in 1983, but it places him there only in the 1982-1983 academic year.
"As there is no record of Obama residing anywhere else in the United States from September 1981-September 1982, or attending any other university," Taitz infers, "by way of simple deduction it becomes clear that his visit to Pakistan lasted not a month or two, as he claims, but over a year."
I guess he didn't notice the World Nut Daily article the day before that put the lie to that claim.
They can't even keep their lies straight.
"Securing a visa for this trip in 1981 was apparently possible for an American but not easy. Although Remnick interviews Obama's friends about the Pakistan leg, he gives no accounting of Obama's stay in Indonesia, if, in fact, there was one."
Well, it was easy enough that the New York Times gave instructions on how to do it in a tourism piece in August of that year.
Cashill's piece seems to be based on this 19 March 2011 video on YouTube
By the way, The comments on that video are rather funny. "Amateur photoshop" and "clone tool abuse" are some of the nicest comments about the Obama-less picture.
7 April - Pam Barnett's continues her jihad against Damon Dunn.
"04/07/2011 35 OBJECTIONS to 34[RECAP] FINDINGS and RECOMMENDATIONS by plaintiff Pamela Barnett. (Marciel, M) (Entered: 04/08/2011)"
(Scribd link here)
"As Magistrate Drozd pOinted out in his recommendations, the U.S. DOJ attorneys argued that Plaintiff "lacks any cognizable claim against the USEAC". If this was what the DOJ attorneys believed, then why did they remove Plaintiffs case to federal court?"
Maybe because you included a federal agency in your list of defendants??
"I request that sanctions be placed on the U.S. DOJ attorneys and the EAC for removing my case frivolously to federal court even though Plaintiff had no claim against the EAC"
And a pony?
7 April - At the Pest and eFail, Miki Booth shows off her children's Hawaiian certificates as supposed "proof" that Obama's is a forgery.
"Miki Booth, who was born in Japan, spent much of her life in Hawaii and ran for Congress in 2010 from the Second District of Oklahoma, is about two-thirds of the way finished writing a book about her life experiences through the present day. She describes her many years in Hawaii and what led her to finally drop her congressional bid to focus on the missing history, records, and long-form birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama, the putative U.S. president."
I suspect what caused her to drop her bid was more she was too crazy even for Oklahoma.
"An eyewitness at the citizens’ grand jury trial of Obama, Columbia University and others for sedition last May at the ATLAH Church in Harlem, NY which was held by Dr. James David Manning, Miki provided regular updates to The Post & Email via telephone, including the end result of a “guilty” verdict. "
Which was a surprise to absolutely nobody, as there were broadway plays less scripted than Manning's play trial.
7 April - Another court loss for the birthers, this time in Hawaii.
"A Hawaii appeals court has rejected a man's request to "inspect and copy" Honolulu-born President Barack Obama's birth certificate, saying the plaintiff failed to state a valid claim to having access to the document.
Chief Judge Craig Nakamura wrote in an opinion issued Thursday that Robert V. Justice didn't show there were "compelling circumstances" requiring the state Department of Health to show him the birth certificate. Two associate justices of the Hawaii Intermediate Court of Appeals concurred, one in a separate opinion.
Hawaii's privacy laws bar the release of birth records unless the requester is someone with a tangible interest, such as a close family member."
And I will note this part (Bold face mine)
"Nakamura said Justice's desire to verify Obama's eligibility for president doesn't meet this standard. He added Justice failed to "allege any basis for questioning that President Obama is a natural born citizen and that he is eligible to serve as president.
7 April - Media Matters comes up with a list of "Myths And Falsehoods: Birther Edition"
"With birther conspiracy theory claims about President Obama again being hyped by the right-wing media, Media Matters looks at the myths and falsehoods surrounding Obama's birth certificate.
MYTH: Obama Hasn't Released A Birth Certificate
MYTH: Obama's Stepgrandmother Confirmed He Was Born In Kenya
MYTH: Obama's Birth Announcements Were Planted
MYTH: Kenyan Birth Certificate Proves Obama Born In Kenya
MYTH: Hawaii's Governor Says He Can't Find The Birth Certificate
MYTH: Because Obama's Father Was British, Obama Still May Not Be Eligible For Presidency"
Check it out. It's some very good debunking.
7 April - At Salon, Alex Parnee comments on Jack Cashill's Polarik-like claim.
"Jack Cashill, the right-wing journalist currently winning the national game of "'prove' the most outlandish thing you possibly can about Barack Obama" with his both his theory that Bill Ayers ghost-wrote "Dream From My Father" and his claim that the president's father was actually Jimi Hendrix, dropped a bombshell today: Barack Obama is not actually in a photo of Barack Obama and his grandparents."
Wonder if World Nut Daily gives Jack Cashill reimbursement for tinfoil, or if he has to buy his own?
"But unmentioned by Cashill is the single most insidious part of this deception: While Barack Obama is nowhere to be found in the unretouched version of this photo, his knee is still in between in grandparents.
What was Barack Obama's knee doing in New York, while the rest of him was in Pakistan, and Indonesia? Dealing drugs? Why are mainstream journalists afraid to ask tough questions about the president's detachable knee? The people have a right to know!
(An alternate theory: Is Barack Obama actually fading from this photo because he accidentally prevented his parents from falling in love while traveling through time? And if so, doesn't Obama teaching his father Jimi Hendrix how to play guitar based on listening to Jimi Hendrix records present a paradox?)"
7 April - The UK Daily News comments on the idea that Dr. Kate, TexasDarlin, and other nutjobs have been floating around that there's a scar on Obama's head marking surgery/alien control/head transplant/etc.
"Conspiracy theorists claim the line, running up over the president’s crown from behind his right ear, proves he has secretly had brain surgery.
They suggest it could be anything from a routine procedure to the work of extra-terrestrials, and have posted enhanced images of his head on Right-wing blogs as ‘evidence’.
Commentator Ben Hart wrote on Conservative discussion forum EscapeTyranny.com: ‘Was it a brain operation? Has it affected his thinking? Is he really an alien from another planet?’
The White House dismissed the theories as ‘ridiculous’."
7 April - Media Matters also points out that Jack Cashill and World Nut Daily aren't exactly telling the truth about the supposed "photoshop" picture.
"Actually, to say Obama is "nowhere to be seen" isn't quite accurate, given that the young future president's right knee is still somehow visible in the "real" photo:
So yeah: Jack Cashill is a clownish buffoon. Be sure to tell that to the hosts of Fox & Friends the next time they have him on national television. Also, drop a line to Andrew Breitbart, who is quite enamored of Cashill's "convincing work.""
7 April - Professional Seditionist Sharon Rondeau piddles like a puppy on a toupee over the idea that birther bill sponsor State Rep Carl Seel of Arizona is flying to New York to kiss the ring of Donald Trump.
"Various news outlets are reporting this evening that Rep. Carl Seel (R-Phoenix) will be meeting with Donald Trump at Trump Tower in New York City on Friday, April 8, to discuss the presidential eligibility bill sponsored by Seel in the Arizona legislature.
The Post & Email has been told that a small number of other people were invited to attend the meeting in addition to Seel, who stated that he was “surprised and pleased to be invited to a meeting."
She also breathlessly states:
"Earlier today, Obama’s campaign website, “Fight the Smears,” was displaying the Certification of Live Birth as it has been since 2008. This evening, however, when searching for the link to the page with the image of the COLB, the website was not accessible."
O RLY? Funny, it seems to be working just fine for me
7 April - The Daily Show twits Glenn Beck and birthers.
7 April - PolitiFact comments on Trump repeating the "Sarah Obama says she witnessed Obama's birth" lie.
"McRae -- who we should emphasize was not the translator -- has kept the theory alive. In a Dec. 5, 2008 article, Salon ran an affidavit from McRae in which he maintains Sarah Obama confirmed she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya:
"Though some few younger relatives, including Mr. Ogombe (one of the translators), have obviously been versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Mr. Ogombe attempted to counter Sarah Obama's clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, I asked Mr. Ogombe, how she could be present at Barack Obama's birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but Ogombe would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, "No, No, No. He was born in the United States!"
That's not what we heard on the tape. What we heard was a very rough translation in which an elderly woman agreed to the leading question that Obama was born in Kenya and that she was present. But it was immediately and clearly corrected -- repeatedly."
What's interesting is who Trump may be in bed with on this issue.
"When we contacted Trump’s organization, Michael Cohen, his political aide, referred us to Jerome R. Corsi, author of The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality, which makes a case against Obama, calling him a political extremist who associates with radicals and has disturbing connections to Islam. (PolitiFact found the book was riddled with errors). In a brief telephone interview with PolitiFact, Corsi said he has spoken to Trump and that the statement about Obama's grandmother was, in fact, based on her taped conversation with McRae. Corsi pointed us toward an article he wrote for the conservative WorldNetDaily, in which he says that he spoke to two unnamed Kenyans familiar with Sarah Obama's dialect, and that they claimed she was clear in saying that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya. Futhermore, Corsi said they told him it appeared her later efforts to recant appeared to be heavily coached by those around her. Corsi has a book questioning Obama's birthplace coming out next month."
Interesting. He's got Rodger Stone working for him, and it looks like Trump's primary source for birther blather is swiftboat liar Jerome Corsi. I smell Farah and World Nut Daily in the mix......
7 April - PolitiFact also gets a letter from Ron McRae. What caught my attention was this:
"I have copies of Barack Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate. He was 7 pounds and 1 ounce, 18 inches long, and was 6 inches across his shoulders. The certificate is easily enough proven true or false, if Barack Obama wants to clear the record. His Kenyan birth certificate contains his feet print for his right foot."
Why does that sound familar? Oh, because he's citing this one:
In other words, McRae is citing convicted forger Lucas Smith's fake "Kenyan Birth Certificate"
"Now, lets just put everything to rest, and verify his foot print with the Kenyan record. Let Mr. Obama come forward and allow an independent expert in finger/foot printing technology take his foot prints before a panel of witnesses and examine the evidence from the Kenyan birth records. "
McRae doesn't seem to know that footprints change from infancy on.
"Concerning my stand upon his presidency, I have no stand, for I do not consider him president, would not give any allegiance to him or demonstrate any regard for him or any document he signs, until he is man enough to step forward and prove his grandmother a liar."
His step-grandmother isn't the liar here. McRae's the one lying.
8 April - "One Pissed-off Vietnam Vet" continues their racist, sedition-filled ranting at the Pest and eFail.
"Christmas used to be a very special time for everyone, from one to ninety-two, but nowadays you can’t even hint at the religious aspect of winter vacation. But why? What happened?"
People noticed that there are other faiths than Christianity out there and wanted to be more inclusive?
"We must respect the minority, so the saying goes. But is that true? Were not the American Indians a minority and, if so, how much respect have they received since, say, 1492? I’ll tell you, not much. So if America didn’t respect its native-born, in a manner of speaking, why in the blazes is America respecting anything whatsoever to do with Muslims..."
So because we treated Native Americans poorly, it means we should treat Muslims poorly as well?? Wow.
"....maybe when the United States put a Muslim in the White House. Yes, that, without a doubt, shortened my fuse. If anyone ever had any doubt that the Democratic Party and the Republican Party aren’t one and the same, their mutual cover-up of Obama’s birth certificate should prove it to you."
Somehow I think you might have been just as cranky and racist before that happened.
"Now I am offended, so I propose starting our very own jihad; why not? The Muslims have theirs and no one seems to be offended.
That’s right, our very own jihad where we give what our enemies deserve. Our very own enemy list…besides all Muslims, let’s add everyone who had a part in putting and keeping Obama in office. That’s right, an American version of jihad: JOIN IN HALTING AMERICA’S DESTRUCTION."
Oh charming, he wants to start a religious war and crusade.
Please tell me law enforcement is keeping tabs on this bozo.
8 April - Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Florida) has some advice for Donald Trump.
"In an interview with the website Daily Caller, the freshman Florida Republican suggested Trump could be a force in the primaries because of his name recognition, but added the business mogul should stick to more weighty issues.
"I would suggest – if he asked for my opinion – not to focus so much on that issue," Rubio said. "There are more important things facing our country. I believe Barack Obama was born in the United States of America …So why are we talking about this?""
8 April - More bile and ranting from Dr. Kate.
"As the supporters of Obama descend into dishonest, pretend defenses of the empty, undocumented, illegal Obama, the more they unravel into an incoherent psychosis under the crushing weight of the impending, cataclysmic reality of his illegality. "
Funny, the only place I'm seeing "incoherent psychosis" is at places like Dr. Kate, the Pest and eFail, Birther Report, etc.
What I'm seeing with debunkers like myself is a lot of laughter at the birthers mind you.
"Will the fawners of the undocumented Obama continue to
carry his water wash his diapers of the stinking mess he’s handed them? "
And again with Dr. Kate's poo fetish. Did she have a bad experience potty training or something?
"It would seem only fair since obama supporters have not been able to prove anything about Obama’s life story, and they cannot prove he is a natural born citizen. Heck, they can’t even prove he is an American citizen."
Projection much? We've seen nothing but proof from primary and secondary sources that Obama was born in the State of Hawaii and therefore under both US law and the US Constitution is, in fact and deed, a Native, Natural Born US Citizen.
On the other hand, the birthers have, in over two and a half years, consistently failed to provide any credible or verifiable evidence to support any of their claims. In fact, they've had to make stories and creatively edit tapes, videos, and pictures to try and back their accusations.
"Ground Obama. Ground Air Force One, Air Force Two, and Marine One."
And look at the type of comments Dr. Kate allows though her censorship:
April 8, 2011 at 4:32 am
Again…a great article.
Here is an idead…
April 8, 2011 at 6:40 am
When Dr. Kate suggested grounding Obama, she probably didn’t mean it quite that literally,"
Want to bet?
"but, assuming the intent and letter of the law were strictly followed that would indeed seem the most likely outcome of justice having been duly served. And it would be a good example and fair warning for the rest of the oath and law breaking scum in Washington.
Ground Obama — I like it."
Yeah, I'm SURE you do....
April 8, 2011 at 7:13 am
Think- I know that DK did not use Ground Obama theme in that fashion.
But the penalty for treason is…..6′"
The Secret Service must be just loving this thread.
As for Dr. Kate, well, she won't believe the State of Hawaii, US Government documents, or any other credible evidence. But guess what she WILL believe:
April 8, 2011 at 10:01 am
A couple of days ago someone put in a link to a psychic site, that said that this year a major politician will die in an airplane crash, and it would be called ‘the crime of the century’.
A psychic? REALLY??
"I always thought that this was the polish government’s assassination by obama and his friends…but maybe not."
"they would have to have someone in the military ready to take over…i.e., martial law due to the assassination of obama and his crowd."
"I pray mightilly that GOD DOES NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN."
I believe she does pray about the martial law part. But I suspect she prays nightly for Obama's death. It would fit the hate and bile that she's allowed to infest her heart and soul.
April 8, 2011 at 6:41 am
Another great article, Dr. Kate! A great idea! Ground the planes! Yes!
One question. How is that going to be done when congress, the Supremes, the military, etc are all complicit with him being there and unwilling to do anything about his usurpation of the White House? Will We The People need to go enforce to DC and liteally surround the planes preventing them from leaving the ground? I do think that is what it will take. When anyone gives the word, I’M ON MY WAY!!"
Just like when you, Dr. Kate, and ONE other person showed up for her "Usurpathon", eh?
April 8, 2011 at 7:21 am
...God Bless Lt. Col. Terry Lakin and his family. The truth will set him free. And I hope he sues the Hell out of the U.S. Army, Judge Lind the Communist Marxist, and all of his high ranking officers who did not uphold their oath to the Constitution and allowed this great American Hero go be imprisoned. I want them all sued and ruined. If I were rich I would give Terry all the money he needs to sue all these bastards for millions. As far as I am concerned Lt. Col. Lakin deserves all the money in the world for what has been done to him and his family.
Our military is a $#@%ing sham. Time to purge all of these thugs and traitors including Betrayus the disgrace and embarrassment. Semper fi to Terry and our Troops.
Screw you traitor Generals and Joint Chiefs, you are nothing but treasonous thugs and traitors and should all be executed!!!!"
Someone's pissed off they didn't get their military coup.
Oh, and they're still upset that younger family members a) vote, and b) have a different viewpoint than they do.
April 8, 2011 at 8:16 am
Heather, these young people are so “dumbed down”, they have no clue what they are even supporting. It is very scary to think that they even go to the polls and vote! Common sense and a little knowledge tell you the truth about Obama. Of course, if BO is thrown out like he needs to be, so will her daddy. God Bless America because she sure needs His blessing!!
I get discouraged at times but lately I have been much more optomistic that we will beat this giant and win our country back. Go Donald Go!!
STOP THEM COLD!!
ARREST THE CRIMINALS!!
April 8, 2011 at 8:37 am
Yes they are–I told my brother NOT to let his daughter (niece) vote this time since she is part of the problem. She isn’t capable of it."
Heather can't seem to understand that her niece has the exact same right to vote that she does. I'm sure her father has tried to explain this to "Crazy Aunt Heather".
April 8, 2011 at 10:24 am
My younger brother voted for Obama but finally quit drinking Obama-Aid last year. His 22yo son, however, is still high on Obama-Aid…lost cause."
Their regard for family members is heartwarming.....
8 April - The Pest and eFail reports on Arizona State Sentator Carl Seel's flight to New York to kiss Donald Trump's ring.
"A citizen reporter for The Post & Email close to a source who attended the meeting with Donald Trump at the Trump Tower in New York City this morning at 11:30 said that the source reported that “It couldn’t have gone any better.”"
"Citizen Reporter: Trump gave them a little over 30 minutes. WorldNetDaily had been patched in somehow and apparently had been privy to what was going on. "
O RLY?? This dovetails with PolitiFactsaying Trump's rep referred them to Jerome Corsi and his book.
Let's see. We've got PolitFact's claim that Trump is getting his info from Corsi and World Nut Daily. Add to that the fact that Trump's advisor is Roger Stone, who's long-time buddies with GOP dirty trickster Floyd Brown, who runs Joseph Farah's "Center for Western Journalism".
So let's see. Stone, Brown, and Corsi, and World Nut Daily just happens to be linked into this discussion Trump has.
I think it's safe to say that World Nut Daily is up to their eyeballs with Trump in this case. The question is if Trump is a willing player or a willing dupe.
Bear in mind that Farah and friends were some of the more persistent sources of the "Clinton Death List" and other anti-Clinton stories during the 90's.
"I was told that Trump didn’t seem to know about the “natural born Citizen” issue at all. He gave Jeff homework by saying, “I want to know everything about ‘natural born Citizen,’
Ignoring the sheer arrogance of giving "homework" to an elected official, THIS is going to be the lynchpin as to how far down the birther rabbit hole Trump goes. Will he throw his own children (or at least 2 or 3 of them) under the bus and go de Vattel?
"As they were leaving, Theresa Cao said something to Jeff, who was trying to figure out who she was. He asked her, “Are you Theresa Cao?” and she said, “Yes, I am.” And she went to lunch with him."
Did she have her angel wings on? And if she can afford to go up to New York to sit outside Trump's office, why is she using a public defender??
"We had three goals going into the meeting and I believe that we met all three to the best extent possible in a 30 minute meeting (actually 20 because Mr. Trump took a call from Newsmax during the meeting). "
Newsmax's CEO is Christopher W. Ruddy. During the 90's, Ruddy was one of the ones pimping conspiracy theories about the death of Vince Foster. He even wrote a report on the subject that was published by - the "Center for Western Journalism".
We're seeing a lot of the Clinton conspiracy gang involved in Trump's sudden birtherism.
"I mentioned Tim Adams, the Hawaiian election clerk and recent affadavit and ALSO asked whether he, Trump, was going to take the issue beyond the birth certificate and place of birth to the question of NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP."
Otherwise known as "Mr. Trump, will you throw your children under the bus in support of our jihad against Obama??"
"He asked me to explain precisely what that was and I then got to recite the precise clause from Article II, Section I and explain what the founders meant by it; and where they got the concept from, that being Vattel. He said that he liked the way I was explaining it and gave me another “homework” assignment to send him more information about it. "
So at what point does he realize it applies to his own children?
8 April - Dr. Orly seems a bit annoyed with World Nut Daily (malware and redirect warning)
"Mr. Farah and Mr. Unruh
in your latest article about my work I was accused of providing the public with wrong information regarding Student Clearing House records on Barack Obama” As an atorney and officer of the court I need to protect my reputation, "
You don't HAVE a reputation Dr. Orly. Well, not a good one at any rate.
"..particularly, when at issue are records submitted to the US District Court."
Accuracy of records submitted in court has never bothered you much before.
"I demand a certified copy of the conflicting records provided to you by the Student Clearing Houe, showing Obama attending Columbia for 2 years. I intend to confront the Student Clearing House and demand retraction and apology for their altering of records and implying that I, as an attorney provide wrong information."
And a pony?
"As you know, I am an attorney, providing the most incriminating information regading Barack Obama."
Well, the "attorney" part is true, at least until the California State Bar gets their thumbs out of their rears and corrects that problem. As for the rest? Well, "paranoid conspiracy dogma" is more accurate.
"You are well aware of the fact, that as a result i was a victim of vicious attacks by Obama operatives in the media, a group of four convicted document forgers and two attorneys ; Philip J. Berg and Gary Kreep, who attacked me with slanderous accusations inserted in frivolous legal actions"
So Philip Berg and Gary Kreep are now "Obama Operatives"?? As for other "convicted document forgers", I'm going to assume she's talking about Lucas Smith (who really is a convicted document forger, though that didn't stop her from trying to submit his fake Kenyan birth certificate as "evidence"), and her former legal clerk and lover, Charles E. Lincoln, III.
"I hope, that WND willl show journalistic integrity"
We can all hope they do, but I don't think World Nut Daily knows the meaning of the term "journalistic integrity"
"I demand an immediate release of certified copies of any and all information provided by the Student Clearing House to the WND,"
And a pony?
Isn't it fun to watch birthers turn on each other?
8 April - Donald Trump comes across as VERY thin-skinned when challenged, doesn't he?
"As far as her comments on the so-called “birther” issue, I don't need Ms. Collins's advice. There is a very large segment of our society who believe that Barack Obama, indeed, was not born in the United States. His grandmother from Kenya stated, on tape, that he was born in Kenya and she was there to watch the birth."
No, she stated, on tape, he was born in Hawaii. Maybe you should listen to sources other than Newsmax and World Nut Daily
"He has not been able to produce a “birth certificate” but merely a totally unsigned “certificate of live birth”-which is totally different and of very little significance. "
I guess he never saw the FactCheck images, where the stamp and signature are clearly visible. As for "very little significance", the State of Hawaii - not to mention the Federal government, State Department, and Department of Defense, among others, disagree with him.
"Unlike a birth certificate, a certificate of live birth is very easy to obtain."
Then you try and get one, okay?
"The term used by Ms. Collins-“birther”-is very derogatory and is meant in a derogatory way. "
Yeah, but "Cult of the COLB", and "Racist Nutbags" were too bulky and awkward.
"Had this been George Bush or almost any other President or Presidential aspirant, they would never have been allowed to attain office, or would have been thrown out of office very quickly. "
Is this his polite way of calling Obama an "Affirmative Action" President?? Is Trump's racism as thinly disguised as his combover??
8 April - Azentral.com covers Seel's visit to Trump.
"Donald Trump meets Arizona 'birther'
A state representative tells the "LunchCast" about his meeting with Donald Trump in New York to discuss their shared questions about President Obama's citizenship."
The funny thing is that Seel claims that they use the "FBI Standard" in determining citizenship, but Obama's COLB meets that "FBI Standard". And Seel doesn't seem to understand the whole "Full Faith and Credit" Clause of the Constitution.
8 April - And Gail Collins strikes back at Donald Trump.
"But about the letter. Mainly, it’s a list of alleged evidence that Barack Obama was not born in the United States. Trump has made this the centerpiece of his faux presidential campaign, falling further and further into the land of the lunatic fringe. I find this a disturbing spectacle — a little like seeing a guy you know from the neighborhood suddenly turn up in the middle of Times Square with his face painted blue and yelling about space aliens. "
About the same level, yes.
"That first book was total genius and helped get him elected,” Trump continued. “But you can tell Obama did the second book himself because it read like it was written by somebody of average intelligence with a high school education.”
Did I mention that, in his letter, Trump complained about my calling him a “birther” because the word was “very derogatory and meant in a derogatory way”? Obama, of course, graduated from Columbia University and Harvard Law School — if you can believe Columbia and Harvard Law.
"Trump does not actually seem to have people studying, or even Googling. Still, he sounds very self-assured. This is because before he was a reality-show host, he was in the New York real estate business, a profession in which it is vital to be able to say imaginary things with total certainty. (“I have five other people who are begging me to sell them this property. Begging.”)
So he has experience with lying though his teeth and spewing utter bullshit. No wonder the birthers love him.
"THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE If only Hawaii made its birth records public, and charged people a thousand dollars a pop to look at them, the state’s budget problems would be solved by the conspiracy theorists. However, it doesn’t. If you were born in Hawaii and request a copy of your birth certificate, you get a certification of live birth, which the federal government accepts for passports. Barack Obama requested his in 2007, and his campaign posted it on the Internet.
“A certificate of live birth is not even signed by anybody. I saw his. I read it very carefully. It doesn’t have a serial number. It doesn’t have a signature,” said Trump on “Today.”
The document has the stamped signature of the state registrar. The University of Pennsylvania’s FactCheck.org made a pilgrimage to the Obama campaign headquarters, examined the document, felt the seal, checked the serial number and reported that it looked fine. "
Yep. And it's funny how the birthers ignore or try and explain away this minor little fact.
9 April - FactCheck.org's reaction to Donald Trump's spewing forth long-since debunked birther claims? Three words - "Donald, You’re Fired!"
"If Donald Trump worked for us, we’d have to say: "Donald, you’re fired — for incompetence." The successful developer and TV celebrity says he’d make a good president, and maybe he would — we take no stand either way about that. But when it comes to getting facts straight, he fouls up again and again on the basics of President Barack Obama’s birth. As a rookie reporter, he just wouldn’t make it."
As for the Sarah Obama tape, FactCheck interviewed Jeff Schreiber of "America's Right" about it, and it turned out that not only did he get the tape from McRae, but he has his own doubts about it.
"We recently interviewed Schreiber and asked how he obtained the tape. "I got it from McRae himself," he said. He said he remains skeptical of the tape. "We don’t know that the woman is who they say she is." He had no reason to believe, however, that McRae gave him anything but a "full and complete" audio file of the interview.
Told that Trump cites the tape as evidence Obama was born in Kenya, McRae asked if we had Trump’s phone number so he could call him and talk to him. What would he tell Trump?
Schreiber, April 8: I’d tell him, well, that he needs to be careful when it comes to sourcing of information. If someone came to him with a rock solid investment, you’d think he would look into it. It’s the same thing. If he is going to go on the record and start claiming things he needs to make sure the source is right. I would caution him on his proper role in the presidential primary.
So far as we know, neither McRae nor Berg has disputed the authenticity of the recording on Schreiber’s site.
Good for Jeff Schreiber!
Oh, and as for Trump's own birth certificate:
"We were amused to see Trump make a show recently of producing what he said was his own "birth certificate," which wasn’t an official document and wouldn’t qualify him for a passport. “It took me one hour to get my birth certificate," he told the conservative-leaning news site Newsmax. "It’s inconceivable that, after four years of questioning, the president still hasn’t produced his birth certificate."
Trump’s "birth certificate" was actually an unofficial "Certificate of Birth" generated by Jamaica Hospital Medical Center (in Queens, N.Y. — not the island nation) stating that Trump was born there June 14, 1946. But because it was not "issued by the city, county or state" as required by the State Department, it does not constitute legal proof of citizenship sufficient to obtain a passport. When confronted with these facts, Trump later coughed up what he said was his official birth record issued by New York City’s Bureau of Records and Statistics. It is a certified photocopy of a "Certificate of Birth" signed by a physician. This one does appear to meet State Department requirements. And so does Obama’s."
And Trump's hospital:
"We also found that Trump was just blowing hot air when he claimed that Jamaica Hospital Medical Center in Queens has detailed records of his birth, including "how much my parents paid for the doctor." Our researcher Michael Morse asked a hospital spokesman about that. What he was told is that any records of a birth from that long ago were probably destroyed many years ago, and even if they still existed the hospital could not release them to outsiders because of HIPAA. The hospital’s policy is to retain records of any child until age 21.
Michael Hinck, Jamaica Hospital Medical Center, spokesman: It’s unlikely that the information will still exist.
And what about details such as the doctor who delivered Trump and the room number where he and his mother stayed? Even if that information still existed, Hinck said, "We wouldn’t be able to give any details. And that’s according to HIPAA."
And the same applies to other hospitals, including Kapi’olani where Obama was born."
And then there's Trump's own backtracking. Remember when he said:
Trump, ABC: The reason that I have a little doubt — just a little — is because he grew up and nobody knew him. When you interview people — if I ever got the nomination, if I ever decide to run, you may go back and interview people from my kindergarten, they’ll remember me. Nobody ever comes forward. Nobody knows who he is until later in his life. It’s very strange. The whole thing is very strange."
"CNN’s Suzanne Malveaux confronted Trump with taped interviews of people who recall a young Obama as a child in Hawaii. In response, Trump falsely denied that he ever said nobody remembers Obama as a child.
Trump, April 7: Look, I didn’t say that. You have to be born in the country. If he was three years old, or two years old, or one year old and people remember him — that’s irrelevant.
We agree it’s irrelevant. The fact is, though, that Trump said it.
They end with:
"We will permit ourselves this observation. Back in 2008 we said this about the many loopy theories and lawsuits claiming that Obama was born in Kenya, or somewhere other than the U.S.A:
FactCheck.org, Nov. 1, 2008: Of all the nutty rumors, baseless conspiracy theories and sheer disinformation that we’ve dealt with at FactCheck.org during campaign 2008, perhaps the goofiest is the claim that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” and therefore not eligible to be president under the constitution.
We’ve seen no evidence that would change our conclusion in the nearly two and a half years since then.
Developments have at times been bizarre. The U.S. Supreme Court ordered one lawyer to pay a $20,000 fine for a "frivolous" lawsuit raising some of the same claims Trump now embraces. The same lawyer introduced in court a birth certificate supposedly showing Obama was born in Mombasa — a document quickly revealed as a forgery. Many who embrace Trump’s theories were left red-faced by a transparent April Fool’s Day hoax in 2009.
So — love Trump or hate him. That’s your choice. All we’re saying is that his factual assertions about Obama’s birth would get him fired from any reputable news organization. Or at least, it would get him fired here.
9 April - ConWebBlog also notices the Trump / World Nut Daily connection.
"With Donald Trump going full birther, it's no surprise that WorldNetDaily would want to get in on some of that action. Now we have apparent proof that it is working with Trump.
The right-wing website The Post and Email contains a report from an anonymous "citizen reporter" about what happened inside a meeting Trump had with tea party activists and an Arizona state representative who sponsored an "eligibility" bill in the state that highlights WND's involvement:
Trump gave them a little over 30 minutes. WorldNetDaily had been patched in somehow and apparently had been privy to what was going on. Also, there were a lot of media outside in the hallway, but none was allowed into the meeting. The only people in the meeting were Trump, (Michael D.) Cohen, and the three people from Arizona.
Between this and its creation of an affidavit for birther and former Hawaii election temp Tim Adams to sign, it seems WND isn't content reporting the news; it's working behind the scenes to invent birther news to report. That's not the role of a "news" organization.
The Post and Email also includes another account from a meeting participant rehashing the claims the participants fed to Trump:
The discussion trend allowed me to ask Mr. Trump right after he was speaking about the Kenyan grandmother, whether he knew about the Kenyan Assemblyman, (James Orengo) who stated on their Assembly floor so that it is documented that Obama was a son of their soil. He apparently did not know of that and asked me to send him the documentation. Anyone who has it readily available is welcome to send it to me so that I can forward it. Even more importantly, I also had the opportunity when we were discussing whether a real long form birth certificate actually exists to do two things. I mentioned Tim Adams, the Hawaiian election clerk and recent affadavit and ALSO asked whether he, Trump, was going to take the issue beyond the birth certificate and place of birth to the question of NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP. He asked me to explain precisely what that was and I then got to recite the precise clause from Article II, Section I and explain what the founders meant by it; and where they got the concept from, that being Vattel. He said that he liked the way I was explaining it and gave me another “homework” assignment to send him more information about it. Also, at some point in the discussion, the false social security number belonging to someone from Connecticut born in 1890 came up and so they are aware of that situation to some extent – maybe not all the way to the FOIA actions and suits filed vs. the Social Security Administration by Orly Taitz. Time did not allow getting into the issue to that full extent. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO HELP ME WITH THESE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS, PLEASE DO, I WELCOME IT.
Much of this twaddle has been promoted by WND, and much of it has been discredited, in particular the stuff about Obama's grandmother, which originated from translation problems in an interview the grandmother had with a rabidly anti-Obama minister."
9 April - And we may have either the identity of the Pest and eFail's favourite sexist bigot, Padawan Pauly, or at least a kindred spirit and/or mentor.
First take a look at his website
Then note this article published 8 April 2011 at the Pest and eFail.
"Enjoy this contribution sent to me by a fellow patriot, Mr. Gordon Epperly, to whom I attribute this work."
The documents sound.....familar. And much of Padawan Pauly's rantings are cut and pasted from Epperly's stuff.
Gordon Epperly's website is chock-full of anti-Semitic and Sovereign CItizen bulldada. Including a 20 December 2010 "Proclamation" (PDF here)
"...we the people hereby declares that women, and those who are not white citizes of the United States, have no political privileges to hold public offices of the United States and as such, they are not citizens of the United States under Article I, Article II, or Article II of the Constitution of the United States of America.
All women and none white citizens holding public offices of the United States are "usurpers" of office. All Congressional enactments of law and Judicial Judgments made by those who are public office usurpers are declared to be null and void a inito."
And then there's
"In regard to Barack Obama holding the Office of President of the United States; Barack Obama is a usurper of office as he does not have the political privileges to hold any public office within the government of the United States of America and thus he is not a citizen of the United States nor a natural born citizen under Article II of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Barack Obama is of Negro decent (Mulatto) and before the Civil War of 1865, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Negros have no rights, Civil or Political, as they were not citizens of the United States. At the time the U.S. Constitution was written and up until the time of the Civil War, Negros were considered to be nothing more than "property". The Republicans of the northern States sitting in Congress made an attempt to change the status of the Negro by proposing three (3) Constitutional Amendments, the Thirteenth, which freed the Negroes from slavery, the Fourteenth, which granted the Negroes the privileges and immunities of citizenship (Civil Rights) that may be bestowed upon them by Acts of Congress, and the Fifteenth, which granted the Negroes the political privileges of voting.
None of the Civil War Amendments granted any none white citizen of the United States the political privilege to hold public offices within the United States government. The term "citizen" (as used in Article I and Article II of the Constitution for the United States of America) does not include political privileges to hold public office for those who are not white citizens nor those who are women."
And towards the end:
"Under the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776; the people are under a mandate to remove themselves from under the rule of a de factor government. If those who are participating in the sedition of the Constitution of the United States of America do not remove themselves from public office, the people will have no choice but to remove those individuals from office by what ever means it may take."
If Pauly isn't Epperly, they're certainly two peas in a rotten pod.
9 April - Possibly worried she's losing the batshit insane support, Sarah Palin wades in to support Donald Trump
Notice she parrots the "$2 million dollars" claim, despite the fact there's never been any evidence to support it.
10 April - Donald Trump talks to Candy Crowley on CNN.
"On Sunday’s State of the Union, CNN’s Candy Crowley became the latest interviewer to host Donald Trump’s Magical Birth Certificate Mystery Tour®, and made an admirable attempt to get Trump to face facts."
Yeah, good luck with that.
"Over the course of a 10-minute interview that saw Trump swatting away at the truth like Birther King Kong, perhaps the funniest moment was Trump’s assertion that he doesn’t “like to talk about this issue too much,” which is a bit like Lou Bega saying he can’t stand performing Mambo No. 5."
"Crowley did her level best to challenge Trump’s tenuous grasp of the facts surrounding President Obama’s birth, but like most conspiracy theorists, there’s no evidence too strong to ignore, or too weak to believe, as long as it supports your delusion."
Welcome to birther reality 101.
"Crowley does a good job of challenging the Birther misinformation, but really, it’s an overwhelming task, and the lies she does call out (the COLB didn’t have a serial number, it doesn’t have the legal weight of a Birth Certificate, Obama’s grandmother claimed he was born in Kenya) are simply ignored by Trump and his disciples."
Well of course. It doesn't fit with his narrative.
10 April - In a case of the pig-ignorant leading the batshit insane, Walter FItzpatrick offers legal advice to Theresa Cao. Which basically amounts to running around screaming "TREASON" like a particularly stupid parrot
"You hold a position to forcibly argue your 6 January 2011 importunity, before a public assembly of the lower house of Congress, was one of the few forms of redress left to We the People in our sincere attempts to disrupt the public tameness."
Actually she holds a position to make herself sound even more mentally unstable than previously expected.
"Mr. Obama’s TREASON is publicly reported in excess of two years to the U.S. Attorney’s office and to the Federal Bureau of Investigation"
Based on a cranky letter written by a disgraced ex-Naval Officer.
"Unrelenting industry resulted and manifested as Common Law Grand Juries and Citizen (American) Grand Juries acted upon the TREASON complaint urgently exercising their Power of Presentment. Repulsed in uncounted episodes, their ultimate defeat is codified in Judge Royce Lamberth’s July 2009 ruling "
Translation - "Wahh! The real courts didn't take our Fantasy Tiddlywinks League 'pronouncements' seriously! Wahhh!!"
"It is the state’s direct punishment of you without the assembly or operation of a constitutionally recognized Jury (ATTAINDER). Continued aggression against you is the operation of a government not found in our U.S. Constitution (TREASON). The government’s insistent criminal industry targeting you the object is an Act of TREASON as much as the ATTAINDER court-martial of Colonel Terry Lakin is an Act of TREASON."
So basically Fitzpatrick argues that any court system that doesn't do what he demands is guilty of "treason" and "attainder".
Looks like his grudge against the UCMJ has grown to include the entire justice system in the United States.
"Here endth the lesson."
Here continueth the batshittery.
Oh, and look at this charming comment: (Bold face mine)
"Kevin J. Lankford says:
Sunday, April 10, 2011 at 10:59 PM
This is all too true. There are no words left that have not been used, no avenue left that has not been approached. We are left with only one remedy. They must surely be aware they themselves are forcing the true citizens of this country to consider the more unpleasant options."
Ah, the smell of treason and sedition. It must be the Pest and eFail.
10 April - Senior White House aide David Plouffe comments on Trump's birtherism.
"A senior White House aide says real estate tycoon and prospective GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump is displaying "sideshow behavior" in questioning President Barack Obama's American birth and respect for the Constitution.
Senior White House adviser David Plouffe says that "there's zero chance" Trump would be "hired" by the American people as president.
Plouffe's comment, a riff on Trump's business-themed reality TV show, came after he was asked on ABC "This Week" about the tycoon's recent swipes at Obama."
10 April - The former director for the State of Hawaii Department of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, comments on Donald Trump as well.
"It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.
Fukino, sounding both exasperated and amused, spoke to a reporter in the aftermath of Donald Trump's statements on the NBC Today show last week questioning whether Obama has a legitimate birth certificate.
Trump, who says he is considering a run for president, repeated his claims on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, saying that "nobody has any information" about the president's birth and that "if he wasn't born in this country, he shouldn't be president of the United States."
Someone shouldn't be President, but it's not Obama.
"No matter what state officials release on the issue, the "birthers" are going to question it, said Fukino. "They’re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated," said Fukino. "The whole thing is silly."
It IS silly, and I get the feeling Dr. Fukino is rather annoyed at the whole thing.
"Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments. "
So what two key points will the birthers ignore or try to explain away now??
"The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.
Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.
"It is real, and no amount of saying it is not, is going to change that," Fukino said. Moreover, she added, her boss at the time, Lingle — who was backing John McCain for president — would presumably have to be in on any cover up since Fukino made her public comment at the governor's office's request. "Why would a Republican governor — who was stumping for the other guy — hold out on a big secret?" she asked. "
So basically yes, a long form exists, yes it's been examined by the appropriate state officials responsible for these records, and it was examined at the request of a Governor who campaigned for McCain to boot.
"Her second point — one she made repeatedly in the interview — is that the shorter, computer generated "certification of live birth" that was obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007 and has since been publicly released is the standard document that anybody requesting their birth certificate from the state of Hawaii would receive from the health department.
The document was distributed to the Obama campaign in 2007 after Obama, at the request of a campaign official, personally signed a Hawaii birth certificate request form downloaded on the Internet, according to a former campaign official who asked for anonymity. (Obama was "testy" when asked to sign the form but did so anyway to put the issue to rest, the former campaign official said. The White House has dismissed all questions about the president's birth as "fictional nonsense.")
The certification that the campaign received back —which shows that Obama was born in Honolulu at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961 — was based on the content of the original document in state files, Fukino said.
"What he got, everybody got," said Fukino. "He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate." "
Which is something the birthers have been told since day one. Hell, some of the birthers themselves - like inmate Lakin for example - discovered this themselves. Which doesn't stop the birtherstani any mind you.
"Even Fukino accepts that her comments are not likely to end the matter for the die-hard birthers. Trump and other skeptics have questioned why the original birth certificate has not been released. "
And Fukino knows there's no level of evidence they'll accept too.
As for those who want to see the original?
"But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records.
"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.
But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated "certification of live birth" form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago. "
Which is exactly what the birthers have been told - repeatedly. However, they've had over two years to try and explain away any aspect of reality that fails to support their preconceived myth.
10 April - Dr. Kate seems to think her silly demand that Air Force One and Marine One be "grounded" actually had some validity.
"I thought this analysis of Valerie Jarrett’s efforts to control Obama by sending him out of town was spot on. And, Barack Obama’s UTTER FAILURE to address the needs of black people all over this country and the world tragically spot on as well."
What "analysis" is Dr. Kate talking about? One from her old friend "Lame Cherry" called "Lazy N*gger Syndrome"
No, I'm not kidding.
So what was in that Lame Cherry article that got Dr. Kate all damp and wiggly? We'll start with this graphic:
"I state this in the warning that blacks should not tie their entire identity to Mr. Obama, the tan foreigner, because in 2008 I warned of the disaster he would be for black people.
The reason is this is going to take an all out effort from the black community is there is no longer on black leader in America who could grab Mr. Obama the boy child, designer negro, by the collar and shake him up to adulthood. The fact is on the right the black leaders like Clarence Thomas have been electronically lynched........those in the center like Colin Powell and Condi Rice have gone so Obama that their leniency discredits them, and Mr. Obama has so utterly either corrupted blacks on the left like Eric Holder to criminal status or made criminals out of Charles Rangel that there is no longer an American black community as back in the day to speak to the reality of the situation."
"Jarrett has has this boy on vacation non stop to try and control him, but in each step without supervision, he simply becomes a more obtuse example of what blacks have worked a generation to be rid of."
"Obama has become a psychotic syndrome of the Lazy N*gger Syndrome. The very sloven of every race become a racist focal point for another race, and Obama has now painted with the national white media an image of Obama, that he can not handle the job, he does nothing but pimp for a party and when he is not shooting hoops he is off on another vacation."
"America is in this syndrome now viewing the black American as someone who never works, spends money like a crack whore on credit, can't murder enough people and doesn't give a damn that he just run over your kid, your cat and your dog with his ride as he flicks cig ashes out the window."
" blacks are going to find real prejudice in not being hired, advanced or considered, because the imprint of what "black" is from tan man Obama is going to be something it is going to take another generation starting from the bottom to create a correct image again."
Wow. Just wow.
10 April - Miki Booth tries to explain away Dr. Fukino's latest statement. Actually it's not even an attempt to explain away, it's simply claiming Dr. Fukino lied without offering any credible evidence to support that claim.
"Donald Trump is really turning the heat up on Obama’s missing birth certificate and far-left zealots have found it necessary to drag ex-Hawai’i official, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, back to the podium to recite her tale of viewing the elusive document. "
I suspect it was more Dr. Fukino going "for God's sake, I've seen the damn thing and Trump doesn't know what the hell he's babbling about" more than anything.
"But the latest attempt to put out the flames has backfired and exposed some naughty children huddled in a back room playing with matches"
By which she means "it directly contradicts what I want to believe"
"When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that—a “Certificate of Live Birth,” not the same as Obama’s. Different titles and different information. Obama’s is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport—Mother’s State/Country of Birth and Father’s State/Country of Birth."
Funny, the State Department accepts a State of Hawaii COLB for purposes of getting a passport. Which means you're either a) misinformed, or b) lying.
"Enough with the lies already. You will be held accountable."
"As long as the debate over Obama’s birth records drag on, we will have that much more time to inform Americans that the birth certificate doesn’t even matter. We don’t care whether he has one or not; Obama is clearly illegally occupying the office of US President since he is not by any stretch of the imagination an Article II, Section I, clause 5 “natural born Citizen” born of two citizen parents on American soil. It becomes more evident every day that his allegiance is not to the United States of America."
So in other words, "There's no level of evidence that we would accept to show he was born in Hawaii, and it doesn't matter anyway because a translation of de Vattel that came out ten years after the Constitution has the REAL meaning of Natural Born citizen, so there, Phhhhpt!"
"The Post & Email will be calling Mr. Wisch tomorrow to confront him with his false statements about obtaining vital records in Hawaii"
By which she means "facts that directly contradict the lies we've been spewing here in the Pest and eFail"
"The Health Department registrar, Dr. Alvin Onaka, whose stamp appears on the long-form document above, is apparently squeamish about picking up the telephone and answering our questions."
I suspect it's more like he has better things to do than handle abusive phone calls from people who could care less about the facts and truth of the matter anyway.
"How many people will be going to jail over this massive cover-up? "
I'm suspecting the number will be between "0" and "0".
10 April - Philip Berg spends 37 pages to say "I'm a plaintiff, you can't dismiss me" in his rebuttal to Dr. Orly's latest round in the birtherstani civil wars.
(Scribd link here)
"Attorney Philip J. Berg, Esq. is not only a Plaintiff in the within action, he has yet to file his Application for Pro Hac Vice status regarding the other Plaintiffs. Thus, Taitz and DOFF Motion is completely improper"
Not to mention "really really stupid".
"As this Court can see from the Docket, Defendant Taitz on behalf of herself and DOFF have continued filing documents which falsifies what this case is about; why this case was filed; and many falsified stories and accusations against the Plaintiffs"
Otherwise known as "normal for Dr. Orly"
11 April - "Joe the Blogger" at the Pest and eFail hopes that the State of Arizona ignores the Constitution and goes full-tilt de Vattelist with their birther bill.
"In my opinion, Arizona legislators should bite the bullet and state that, for the purposes of implementing this bill, the Arizona Secretary of State will rely on the definition of ‘natural born Citizen’, as stated in the first English translation of Vattel’s ‘Law of Nations’, which has been cited in several rulings of the Supreme Court. To that end, the Arizona H.B. 2177 should be amended to require proof that the Presidential candidate’s parents were citizens of The United States of America at the time of the Presidential candidate’s birth. If a candidate wants to challenge this reasonable definition, then he or she would have standing to challenge this definition in the Supreme Court."
And there's been even more Supreme Court rulings stating the exact opposite.
"B. The affidavit prescribed in subsection A shall include references to and attachment of all of the following, which shall be sworn to under penalty of perjury:
1. A certified copy of the presidential candidate’s long form birth certificate that includes at least the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician, if applicable, and signatures of any witnesses in attendance."
The funny thing being is that Arizona does not issue a "long form" that would meet this qualification.
And in comments: (Bold face mine)
"Obama Researcher says:
Monday, April 11, 2011 at 8:14 AM
I say the candidate must sign a waiver allowing the state to verify all details that the state decides necessary to verify the information. For example the state must have the freedom to verify that the candidate did not register at a College or any place else as a foreigner,. The state must have the right to request BC from foreign countries if that is a problem. etc. Full verification for all candidates. The state does not have to totally verify everything if there is no problem. But it should verify everything necessary to make a good determination. Charge the candidate for the costs. Anyone running for President has campaign funds.
So even if the candidate meets the qualifications set forth in this bill, if someone gets a bee in their bonnet about the conspiracy theory du jour, they get to ignore all state and federal privacy laws AND send the bill to the candidate??
In what universe is this considered equal treatment before the law - or even Constitutional?
11 April - Looks like Dr. Kate has a mad that David Plouffe dared to point out the fact that Donald Trump is making a sideshow of the birtherstani.
"White House senior adviser David Plouffe says billionaire Donald Trump has no chance if he decides to make a 2012 presidential run, and his pursuit of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a “sideshow,” Politico reports. “I saw Donald Trump kind of rising in the polls. Given his behavior, and the spectacle of the last couple of weeks, I hope he keeps on rising,” Plouffe said the issue of Obama’s birth will not impact the 2012 presidential election because the American people are focused on the economy and national security.
Let’s analyze these juicy words which give away in an instant–
Dr. Kate is a fine one to claim someone else is showing "intellectual dishonesty"
"No regard for the American people
Condescension, arrogance, and conceit"
And Dr. Kate's scat fetish shows up again.
"What makes the Obamas, JarRAT, POOFIE, ASShack, and the lame stream media think that the use of this tactic again (yawn) will do anything to drive ‘those darn birthers‘ away?"
And yet this person turns around and says debunkers are showing a "third grade mentality"
"Yesterday a tin-headed obot visited this site with a new assignment…daring us to prove anything about obama. How sick is that? Actually saying “you guy’s can’t prove anything”…trying to bait us to respond, and waste time. "
Well, since in two and a half years, no birther has ever managed to offer even the slightest amount of credible evidence or facts to back up any of their claims, I'd say it's a justifiable request.
"Of course this idiot was quite easily spotted and was ridiculed, identified, and booted to spam. "
Because Dr. Kate is a coward who knows very well she can't back up any of her claims about Obama.
April 11, 2011 at 8:20 am
This shows how completely shallow the race card is. They have overplayed and overused it."
Says the woman who links to Lame Cherry's racist rants.
And the poodle-brained one goes:
April 11, 2011 at 8:11 am
OBAMA MUST RESPOND THIS WEEK or RESIGN"
"We need to watch for signs of fear, guilt, and defensiveness from the Sotoero gang. We shall savor every tasty blunder, false accusation, parsed word and stutter as their spin wizards try to diminish Trumps effect. With the pressure Mr. Trump is putting on them right now, they are going to be forced to do two things this week. They won’t do it well.
1. Respond to the challenge. Show us the birth certificate!
2. Try to control the damage already Done by The Donald."
Or "ignore the dingbats"
"The degree and extent of their lies regarding Obama’s birth place while failing to produce hard core evidence will be a measure of their fear. The depth of their attacks upon Mr. Trump with the challenging patriots will measure of their desperation."
Sounds like someone didn't like to hear additional facts and information from State of Hawaii officials....
11 April - Salon takes on the "$2 million" myth.
"While the $2 million figure has now been invoked thousands of times around the Web, it appears to have originated on WorldNetDaily, a right-wing news website that conducts original (and often unreliable) reporting on a variety of conspiracy theories."
Oh, what a shock that World Nut Daily would be involved in this one.
"The implication of the WND stories -- though not explicitly stated -- is that because Perkins Coie worked on a Birther suit, and because the Obama campaign paid Perkins Coie $1.7 million, therefore the campaign paid $1.7 million fighting Birther suits. That's an obvious logical fallacy.
Indeed, just last month Roll Call published a look at the Obama campaign's post-election legal spending -- now totaling $2.8 million, most of it to Perkins Coie. DNC National Press Secretary Hari Sevugan told the paper: "The campaign has incurred ordinary legal expenses related to the wind-down of its operations and other legal services which all campaigns incur and which are proportional to the unprecedented size of this campaign." Roll Call continued:
Legal costs for presidential campaigns can balloon following Election Day as these organizations face compliance issues and sometimes court cases stemming from the campaign season.
Sevugan said some legal fees were needed to defend the campaign against “unmeritorious” suits, including one challenging Obama’s citizenship.
So, yes, it's clear that the Obama campaign has spent some money fighting so-called eligibility lawsuits. But the $2 million figure is baseless.
11 April - Looks like Hollister's getting grumpy.
"Oh, and I tried to speak with Hollister for several days. His wife called back Monday afternoon and told me to knock it off. "He really doesn't want to talk to anybody about this because it wasn't supposed to go public in the first place," she said."
So posting it on "Birther Report" and sending it to Dr. Orly wasn't intended to go public with it??
Right. Sure... Sounds like damage control to me.
"Then Gregory Hollister faxed a statement to the Indy for "Rich Toskas" saying, basically, that no government official on any level has contacted him to ask about his anti-Obama nonsense. But he's still not taking calls.
Because when you get the president's Social Security number and use it to manipulate a database to get his draft registration information, what you don't want is to have people calling your house and violating your privacy."
Hypocrisy thy name is "birther"
"Especially when you've just gotten all 936 of your Beanie Babies all lined up for Play Night."
11 April - Crazy birther puppeteer "BJ Smartazz's" video on Clarence Thomas is pulled by YouTube for violating their terms of service on hate speech.
And she's irritated by it. As she posts at her YouTube channel
"PlainExplosiveTruths (3 days ago)
..bastardsYouTube deleted my video for "hate speech.." This was NO hate speech, only accurate clips of what happened.. oh well, that fat disgusting n**** Clarence Thomas will get his.."
Someone has a whole National Geographic's worth of issues.....