Dispatches from Birtherstan - 9-10 August 2011

In today's dispatches, we have Dr. Orly whining that her improperly served supoena was ignored. But that's okay, because she already believes that the State of Hawaii has a forged version in their records anyway.

Speaking of forgeries, Jerome Corsi's latest expert is Ron Polland / Polarik, who seems to be claiming he forged the original short form COLB now. Also Corsi seems to have problems with concepts like "humor", "sarcasm", and "finding one's arse with both hands".

Two new people added to birtherpoolza, and another unhinged rant from "One Pissed Off Vietnam Vet. Followed with a "friend of a friend" message that someone has the real evidence of a Kenyan birth now, sure, for real, you betcha……..

8 August - The Pest and eFail reports Dr. Orly's side of her big event at the Department of Health for the State of Hawaii.

"Attorney Orly Taitz has filed an emergency motion in the U.S. District Court in Honolulu, HI to compel the Health Department Director, Loretta Fuddy, to produce the document ordered by subpoena on July 5, 2011.

Page 2 of the emergency motion states that Fuddy “failed to appear”

Well, ignoring the fact the subpoena wasn't served properly, she got an answer - the Attorney General's office for the State of Hawaii said "no, you can't have records, not yours."

"… and “failed to produce any documents or things.”

Is "documents or things" a legal term??

"The Emergency Order to Show Cause requests that Fuddy appear tomorrow to make the requested materials available."

And how did the court respond to Dr. Orly's "Emergency Order to Show Cause"?? I guess we find out on 14 September 2011……

9 August - Continuing his downward slide, swiftboat liar Jerome Corsi publishes Ron Polland / Polarik's claim that he forged Obama's COLB.

"When the White House posted online an image of President Obama's purported long-form birth certificate, it also linked to the previously circulated "Certification of Live Birth," the short-form version that had been presented as the only birth documentation available.

However, the short-form certificate to which the White House linked April 27 was a forgery, claims research expert Ron Polland, Ph.D., who says he made the image himself."

Remember when Polarik made a "forgery" and posted it on Free Republic? One that was so bad even the freepers chewed him out??

This is more of the same I suspect.

"Polland said he created the image to bolster his contention that the short-form Certification of Live Birth circulated by the Obama presidential campaign was a forgery.

"You have to be able to show how an electronic document was created in order to prove it is a forgery," he explained. "I wanted to prove the [short-form certificate] was a forgery, and I wanted to show how it can be done."

Logical fallacy here. Polland / Polarik seems to think that the act of forging something is proof that ALL copies of that document are forgeries. Even originals.

Just because something can be forged doesn't mean all copies are forgeries.

"Snopes.com, in an June 2008 article, posted the Obama short-form certificate after it had been first published by DailyKos.com June 12, 2008, and by the Obama campaign website FightTheSmears.com.

When Snopes.com posted Polland's fake document, he took a screen shot of the Snopes.com website, showing that the link to the Obama document was the URL at which Polland had posted his forgery. Exhibit 3 shows the Snopes.com website attempting to "debunk" what it considered the false claim that the Obama short-form birth certificate was a forgery."

Let's take a look at the snopes article, shall we??

The last update of said article was 27 April 2011. Opening the COLB image (which looks like the one first posted on the "Fight the Smears" website) in Apple Preview shows that it was created when I saved it to my hard drive. HOWEVER, when you open the graphic in Adobe Photoshop (Version 11.0.2 for Macintosh), you get a file modification date of……..

Yes, 12 June 2008. Which was about the time the original was posted on the "Fight the Smears" website.

Unless Polland / Polarik is claiming to have forged the original COLB image, then there's very little chance it was his file.

Once again, the universal proof appears again:

9 August - Dr. Orly gives her side of her Hawaiian Adventure. Which means it's only got the slightest touch of reality in it.

"Taitz stated that when she arrived at the Department of Health, she was presented with a letter dated July 8, 2011 denying her access to the original birth certificate. Taitz described that which transpired as follows:

We arrived there, and they had two people waiting for us. One was an attorney from the Attorney General’s office and the one person represented the Health Department by the name of Keith Yamamoto. They gave me a letter which was written by the Deputy Attorney General of Hawaii, Jill Nagamine. She said that they would not allow us inspection of the original because of privacy concerns. The letter from Nagamine was dated July 8."

July 8th or August 8th??

"First of all, any opposition to a subpoena has to be made in a proper form."

Wouldn't that involve serving the subpoena properly first??

"They provided their opposition on the day I arrived with my experts, which is an outrage of behavior by government officials. I have called and left multiple messages for AG Nagamine, and I wrote emails to her, Fedexed letters to Loretta Fuddy stating that it will cost thousands of dollars for my experts and me to have to fly from different states. I was flying from California; somebody else from Florida, and somebody else from Washington State, and they’re citing “privacy.”

Oh shucky darn???

"Now we will have a hearing in front of a federal judge where the director of health has to appear and explain why she is not complying with a federal subpoena, why she is not allowing inspection of the birth certificate"

And you get to explain to the judge why the subpoena wasn't served properly in the first place, and why a subpoena doesn't allow the violation of state and federal laws…..

"I’m guessing that they filed in their records the computer-generated garbage that Obama posted as a certified copy of his original. I’m suspecting that they did not have an original hand-signed birth certificate. It’s a computer-generated graphic. "

So why are you bothering to look at it?? It sounds like your mind is made up, so why confuse you with facts or evidence?

9 August - Swiftboat liar Jerome Corsi seems surprised that debunkers just didn't roll over and accept his claim that James Johnson was somehow the debunkers "boss". And now he's upset he fell for it.

"In the disinformation world propagated by the radical Obama supporters known as OBOTs, " short for "Obama Robots," participants typically post their strongly partisan and frequently acerbic comments under a user name to hide their identity.

Following WND articles exposing the OBOT claim that James A. Johnson, former head of Fannie Mae, was their White House contact, organizer and funder, OBOT posters on Fogbow.com have changed their story and contend they lied in an effort to "punk" WND."

Well, Corsi was stupid enough to believe Ed Hale, so…..

"Exhibit 6 shows a NeonZX Internet post on Politijab.com in which he contradicted the claim the OBOTs were not organized, bragging instead that: "Of course, I let them believe as they wish, but we here all know the true hierarchy of the organization. Wouldn't it blow their mind if only they knew how deep the rabbit hole really is?"

Birthers really don't understand sarcasm well, don't they?? Corsi seems so willing to believe what Ed Hale told him that he seems to have forgotten things like "humor" and "sarcasm".

The fact he's still trying to both flog that particular dead horse AND blame "obots" for his own gullibility is pretty remarkable.

10 August - More additions to the members list of birtherpoolza.

"Teo Bear" of birthers.org makes the list, as does Jawara King. Jawara King was last known for being a Philip Berg supporter and going full tilt birther in his book "Transform Your World Through The Powers Of Your Mind: A Guide to Planetary Transformation and Spiritual Enlightenment", which, at #1,578,964 on Amazon, manages to have an even lower sales rank as Jerome Corsi's remainder table bait.

Dr. Kate still isn't on the members list however. Maybe the chemtrails are keeping her off of it??

Oh, and they have an on-line poll about Zampolit Haskins' insultingly low offer to Colin Powell of $15,000 to be preached at for three hours about birtherism. As of 12:56 PST on 10 August 2011, it's had a grand total of 264 votes, with 92.4% saying Powell won't agree.

10 August - More racist blather from "One Pissed-off Vietnam Vet"

"Congress? Money from oil is paid to the campaign funds of our politicians: make that Arab oil, as in Muslim, as in Islam oil, money from Muslims gladly accepted by our elected officials and selected bureaucrats. To what devil, then, or what monster, do they have to answer to?"

"…Mommy?? Check under the bed for Muslims please??"

"Ever wonder why, after a politician is found guilty of felonious charges, they are never sentenced? Or, if they are, it’s nothing more than a slap on the wrist, not even levied with hours of community service? The answer lies in the very private Good Ole Boy network: “Yes, I was caught and convicted and so may you be, so as you judge me, I’ll judge thee.”

O RLY?? I'm sure Former Rep. Randall "Duke" Cunningham, Former Gov. Rod Blagojevich, Former Rep. Tom DeLay, or Former Rep. William Jefferson may just disagree with you.

"Thus far, the judicial has been completely ineffective in curbing the ineligible president. Thus far, ALL law enforcement has been completely and utterly impotent in removing the criminal with multiple Social Security numbers from the White House."

"Wahhhh! The scary black man is STILL THERE!!!"

"…there is not one ICE, FBI or Secret Service agent doing his job: to defend and protect the Constitution by arresting Obama and placing him in jail, where he belongs "

"Wahhh! Why haven't they ignored the law and arrested that uppity darkie!!! WAHHH!!"

"We still have each other, and the enlisted ranks of the armed services. The spark only waits to be ignited."

"WAHHHHH!!! WHERE'S MY MILITARY COUP???? I WANT MY MILITARY COUP!!!! WAHHHH!!! MOMMY!!!!!"

10 August - Birther Report breathlessly reports proof that Obama was born in Kenya.

And what is said proof?? A post from someone called "miller4000" on the website of Honolulu's KHON-TV

"miller4000 - 8/9/2011 6:57 PM
0 Votes
Report User I have a copy of the birth certificate. I will post this soon and then corroborating evidence barrack actually flew into Hawaii at 5 months of age with his parents. You see I figured out how to prove this because I obtained logs of flights from what was. PAN AM and there were only two airlines flying into Hawaii at that time. It was fairly easily once I found the archived records. This cover up involves major players in Hawaii and in the federal government. Believe or don't believe me I don't care. Obama was born in Kenya to father who was a communist agent trained in Moscow!"

So that's their big news. An anonymous someone on a news board who claims to have a birth certificate and flight logs. Oh, and I believe Pan Am was still using the name "Pan American" then. They were as late as 1958, and this was three years later.

The funny thing is it looks like, based on the comments on birther report, that not even the birthers are buying it.

Comments

[joeymac]

(repeated from the previous thread)

@Dean

If you are still stopped by reading "this trivial little page," kindly indulge me with my failure to grasp your logic.

If a certain SS# was issued to someone born in 1890, why doesn't the number show up on the death index?

You say that because the holder isn't dead? Then why isn't the IRS on his/her case for not reporting mega-income on a tax return? Why isn't there some press coverage of the birthday of a 121 year old? To my mind, he/she would be a member of a very elite group worthy of some attention, and possibly the oldest person alive in the US.

Forgive me, if I can't follow your superior logic, but could you make it simple for me.

[joeymac]

I wonder if Dean would be kind enough to help me out?

[obsolete]

(repeated from the previous thread)

Yup. Dean Haskins refused to answer my valid question.
He refuses to answer if he considers the page I posted as solid evidence, and if so, what would he consider acceptable for Powell to use to refute it.
His silence confirms that he considers the evidence Orly offered insufficient, so I am sure that he will be honest and refrain from using the claim (Obama is using a SS number issued to somebody born in 1890) in his future writings and interviews.
Because only a douchebag would do that.

[obsolete]

Poor Corsi.
The worst part is, he KNOWS his career as author is finished. He thought that because he had so much success hoodwinking the public with his Swift-boat book, that he could sell anything to the gullible.

Unfortunately for him, he was a one-hit wonder, and his ill-timed latest book turned him into an easy punch-line.
The low sales guarantee that no reputable publisher will want his next collection of lies. Self-publishing is all his future holds.

Now that he is reduced to publicly harassing the employers of his critics in an effort to hurt them, it shows the whole world his true character and diminishing mental state.

He.Is.Finished.

[Estiveo]

Sorry, Joeymac, Dean's history is to run away from direct questions, with his fingers in his ears, doing the whole Lalalalala thing. Dude's a coward in addition to being a liar and an overweening ponce. Also, too, the stick up his but is rumored to have a stick up its' own butt.

[Glix]

It amazes me that birthers have never noticed that, while they are positive the President was not born in Hawaii, they not only don't have proof he was born anywhere else but don't even agree among themselves where they THINK he might have been born.

Plus, even among the largest group of birthers who think he was born in Kenya, they disagree on who his parents are, what his name really is, and both how and when he arrived in the U.S.

[Northland10]

"Report User I have a copy of the birth certificate. I will post this soon and then corroborating evidence barrack actually flew into Hawaii at 5 months of age with his parents. You see I figured out how to prove this because I obtained logs of flights from what was."

Is Ed Hale back? Actually, I sense somebody pulling the birthers leg. Though, it is so hard to tell the difference between a birther and satire, I may be wrong. If they did get the Pan American passengers lists (it may be possible but I did not see them on Ancestry.com for Hawaii), they may have Stanley flying into Hawaii. Those things happen when you go to school in Washington.

Though there are some on birther report doubting the story, many other comments remind me of Homer Simpson, "oh boy, oh boy, this is it..." We will soon see "Doh."

[Dean C. Haskins]

Obsolete, I answered your silly little question on the previous page.

Patty, what's a "birtherpoolza?"

[ima lawyer]

"documents and things" actually is a legal term of art.

[joeymac]

@Dean

Another silly little question. If the President is "using a number not assigned to him" whose number is he using, and what is your evidence?

How did he get a diplomatic passport (as a inconsequential Senator, not President) with somebody else's SS#?

How does he file income tax returns? We know that he does, because he released them.

So many questions are unresolved in constructing a coherent birther narrative.

[joeymac]

I forgot to add: FOGBLOW!!!!

[Patrick McKinnion]

Zampolit Haskins - You know, your little shindig next March?? I can't really call it a "summit" because your original suggestion to a certain elected official had people from both sides meeting to discuss your claims. Somehow that morphed into a birther-only gathering.

And not just birther-only, the exclusion of birthers like Gary Kreep and Philip Berg, simply because they don't buy into the de Vattelist theory, has turned it into a Party gathering that's a garden of pure ideological thought, uncontaminated by doubleplus ungood non-de Vattle and doubleplus ungood non-Orly speak.

It's a "summit" in much the same way that Party gatherings in the former Soviet Union were "summits", where all attending believed and though the same and dissent was ignored or suppressed.

[Dean C. Haskins]

Hey Patty,

Notice the correct apostrophe usage: http://www.birthersummit.org/video2

Your pal,

Dean

[Patrick McKinnion]

Zampolit Haskins - You're really fixated on the apostrophe thing, aren't you?? So much so that you're ignoring the valid questions others have asked you and your "challenge" (check my last post if you're having problems finding them.)

Are you going to answer their questions?? Or yell "Fogblow" and run??

[Dean C. Haskins]

I don't answer to you, or your eight readers, Patty. You're not interested in the truth--only in obfuscating it for your Marxist messiah.

[Patrick McKinnion]

Zampolit Haskins - So the answer is "yell Fogblow and run" then. Ignore the valid questions people are asking you, just turn tail and run.

You know, the last person who called me a "marxist" got politely invited out for coffee and pistols at dawn. I'm kinda old fashioned that way.

As for "messiah", I've only seen people on the far right call Obama a "messiah". Funny thing that,

Oh, and my average page views a day is between 409 and 550. Hardly "eight readers", but so it goes.

Thank you for showing us your moral courage here. You didn't scream "fogblow" before you ran away, but run away you did. Exactly the same thing I've seen you do elsewhere - when confronted or asked for evidence to back up your claims, you bluster, bluster, blurt out a few ad hominem comments or insults, and then run away.

Tell me, is that how you plan to handle Colin Powell? Preach at him for three hours, get evasive or abusive when he asks for evidence to back your claims up, and then throw a few insults out at him, turn tail and run???

Because based on your usual pattern, that's exactly what I expect you to do when he starts to demand you back your claims up or presents solid evidence that backs up Obama. I fully expect you would get insulting, turn tail, and run.

It's easy to parrot the birther party line when you're in one of your echo chambers. But I find it rather odd that no birther seems able to survive debate long outside of those echo chambers.

[Dean C. Haskins]

As I previously stated, Patty, I come here occasionally for amusement--nothing else. I don't answer to anything here, as that is somewhat like discussing virtue in a crack house. You can strut your imaginary rhetorical "victories" at the fogblow all you want, as your posts there are as insignificant as your "articles" here are. But, again, you are good for an intermittent laugh.

[Shay]

Patrick, Patrick, Patrick...he won't answer because he can't. Besides, arguing with a birther (to use the old military saying) is like wrestling with a pig. You get muddy and the pig enjoys it.

[Dean C. Haskins]

It appears your readers have the same inability to understand that you do, Patty. Choosing not to cast pearls before swine is not the same thing as not being able to answer. But, obviously, the subversives here, like you, cannot understand the difference.

[Patrick McKinnion]

Haskins - Awfully thin-skinned, eh? Ad hominem attacks and insults does not a debate make.

[Obsolete]

Dean Haskins (who has never, ever made a typo and is therefore "not" a dolt) apparently answered my question by admitting that the evidence Orly uses in accusing Obama of using a SS number issued to someone else born in 1890 is deficient, as he says he doesn't make that claim himself. Fair enough.

But Dean Haskins then claimed tha Obama IS using a SS number not assigned to him. The evidence for that claim is equally deficient. It is based on another faulty attempt to use public databases, and I have been unable to repeat the results using several different databases. My theory is that the database Orly & Co. used is reporting Obama's number as "never been issued" due to Obama having a new, "clean" number issued after Orly plastered his number all over the Internet. Orly's associates even commuted identity fraud against Obama & accessed his selective service record (which lists him as having the "never been issued" number) and changed his mailing address. (Yes, birthers are committing felonies).

Dean Haskins should enjoy his moment of sun in the birther orbit. His demands of Vattelist purity will split the birthers and backfire on him, and when his "Summit" undoubtably crashes & burns, he will be the laughingstock he was destined to be.
I wonder if he has convinced his brother (the "successful" one in the family) to swallow some of his guano.

Disclaimer- I am typing this on tiny iPhone letters, so I hope Dean can find it in his heart to forgive any typos or weird "auto-corrects" that may occur. Here are a few extra apostrophes, in case they need to be placed differently:
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If you need any more Dean, just ask.

[Patrick McKinnion]

Obsolete - If you're talking the brother of Haskins' that was in politics, my understanding is that he passed away some time ago. Therefore it's not really appropriate to bring him into this argument.

Your comments about the problems with the databases Daniels used though, is spot on.

[joeymac]

So much for birfer "courage" under adversity. Deano likes to commit gutless drive-bys, but lacks the courage to stay and shoot it out.

Reminds of all the chicken hawks loudly crying "we have to fight them over there, or they will be in California next week" while wheedling deferments with anal cysts and fake bad knees.

Yes, Deano doesn't have the guts to defend his vile lies; so, that make him not only a foul liar, but also, a lily-livered vagina.

FOGBLOW.

ps: Did you notice the oxford commas, Dina?

[joeymac]

Aw, come back and play, Dina. I promise not to pull you dress up and expose your goodies.

[Thomas Brown]

Dean's brain atrophy is undoubtedly due to Tiny Member Syndrome.