Dispatches from Birtherstan - 27-28 September 2011

In today's dispatches, World Nut Daily reports on what the aptly-named Gary Kreep wants from the Supreme Court - namely for them to consider the appeal of Keyes v Bowen. And a pony. Squeeky Fromm shows us that while she's crazy, she's not crazy enough to be a de Vattelist.

Dr. Orly tries to cheerlead Daryn Moran's "arrest" plans. The Pest and eFail does some changes, Dr. Orly calls on Ed Koch to help her, Ed Koch replies by endorsing Obama. Dr. Orly is also trying to get her "Look at MEEEE!!!!" act in front of ANYONE in Congress. Loudon and Monroe Counties play prisoner ping-pong.

We have some projection from OPOVV. Unlicensed "pastoral therapist" Sammie Sewell gets a "bug off" email from law enforcement. Gary Kreep finds out Keyes v Bowen is dead and no, he can't has pony, not his.

Finally, Daryn Moran seems to have gotten an early morning visit from a sheriff and two humourless Secret Service agents, who proceed to tell him just how the cow ate the cabbage........

But first, a Public Service Announcement, courtesy of "Mike in Raleigh" and the Stephanie Miller Show.

Obama Derangement Syndrome PSA by Mike In Raleigh

26 September - World Nut Daily reports on the upcoming denial of Keyes v Bowen by the Supreme Court.

"The dispute over Barack Obama's eligibility to be president erupted during the 2008 election campaign and featured among others a lawsuit filed on behalf of Ambassador Alan Keyes against California election officials who did not check whether Obama was eligibile. Now the 2012 campaign is charging ahead at full throttle, and the issue is still alive.

That's because the case was before the U.S. Supreme Court for a conference today. A conference is a meeting at which the justices decide which cases they will review. To date, none of the Obama eligibility challenges that have reached the high court have been accepted. It could be as long as a week or more before an announcement comes from the court.

Attorney Gary Kreep of the U.S. Justice Foundation is handling the case.

"If the U.S. Supreme court agrees to hear this case, and we pray that it will, it will send shock waves through the Washington political establishment," Kreep said. "It will mean that the Supreme Court is going to follow the lead of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals justice who has publicly commented that this is an important constitutional issue."

He continued, "We are awaiting the court's decision."

I hope you're not holding your breath while waiting....

26 September - Well, it doesn't look like you can count birther "Girl Reporter" Squeeky Fromm as a de Vattelist.

"There are two kinds of Birthers, the smart ones who just have a healthy skepticism about government and documents, and the stupid ones who think it takes two citizen parents to be a natural born citizen."

I would say "the crazy ones who believe inane conspiracy theories, and the delusional ones who are intentionally misreading the Constitution". Other than that....

"For example, cults no longer have to physically isolate its members from their families. The cult can do the same thing by occupying the cult member’s time in the pursuit of whatever the cult objective is. One objective I think the website above either omitted, or did not identify better, is the desire of the cult leader and his inner circle to get some R-E-S-P-E-C-T. . .RESPECT, that is, to be recognized as some sort of great leader or authority on something."

Funny thing is this does sound like many birthers. How many of them place their trust in someone like Dr. Kate, Dr. Orly, Jerome Corsi, Dean Haskins, Lawrence Sellin? How many of them have done so while isolating or driving away family and friends??

There was a reason the birthers were originally called the "Cult of the COLB".

"Common sense tells us that a person who does not consider all information may make an unbalanced decision. Filtering the information available or trying to discredit it not on the basis of how true it is, but rather on the basis of how it supports the party line, is a common control method used throughout history."

And very common among the birthers. Notice the level of censorship that's the standard for most birther blogs.

"Now, I can tell you from debating Vattle Birthers, they score very high in this first factor. Anybody who disagrees with them is automatically a Obot, even me, who was a dedicated Common Sense Suspicious Birther. According to them, they alone possess the knowledge of the meaning of the term natural born citizen, in spite of the fact that the courts have defined it differently."

Look at how Dean Haskins kicked out both Phillip Berg and Gary Kreep from his birtherpoolza. Part of the reason was doubleplus ungood orlyspeak. But a good part of it was also the fact that neither Kreep or Berg are de Vattelist birthers. In this, Haskins was trying to keep a level of ideological purity were even other birthers with different views were shunned and outcast from the party.

"For example, the Vattle Birthers will tell you that the case of Minor versus Happersatt, another U.S. Supreme Court case about women’s right to vote, is their most important case of all and proves that it takes two citizen parents to be a natural born citizen. In fact, the Minor case does NOT discuss whether somebody born in America who has foreign born parents is a natural born citizen or not. Oh how, you might ask, do we know this??? Because the Minor case says so!!! Here:

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.

Sometimes, what the Vattle Birthers do is just ignore the part that I have bolded and italicized and try to sneak it past people. But somebody always catches them and then they start lying and misreading stuff all over the place to try to say it doesn’t say that at all. Well, this is just obviously IRRATIONAL and a REFUSAL TO FACE FACTS.

I've seen this as well. The minute someone completes their citation of Minor v Happersatt, the de Vattelists go full bore apedump on the person who dared to point out they weren't citing the entire passage.

"Finally, on the third factor, the degree of conspiracy necessary for the subject belief to be to true, the Vattle Birthers are just OFF THE CHART!!"

Well, they don't really differ much from other birthers in that regard.

And speaking of trying to maintain the ideological purity of the party line.....

"Dean C. Haskins

September 27th, 2011 at 4:21 am

You are poorly informed."

Well now, that's the pot calling the kettle black.

27 September - Dr. Orly eggs Daryn Moran on. (Malware and redirect warning)

"THIS RECENTLY RETIRED OFFICER IS GOING TO DC UNARMED, I HOPE THAT THE SECRET SERVICE WILL NOT BE SHOOTING AT HIM
Posted on | September 27, 2011"

First off, Moran wasn't retired, he was discharged due to his stated hatred and inability to serve alongside Muslims and Gays.

Second off, a Staff-Sergeant is not an officer, but an NCO.

Third off, as long as Moran doesn't do anything to threaten the President - like, oh, run up to him trying to perform a "citizens arrest" - the Secret Service isn't going to shoot him.

"First, of all I don’t agree with everything this man is saying. Some of his talk is very inflammatory, but one thing is clear: just as Commander Walter FitzPatrick, officer Daryn Moran is exasperated with the unprecedented level of lawlessness and corruption in the White House"

Moran wasn't an officer. He's like Fitzpatrick in that he's mentally unstable and was eased out of the military.

"I hope, that we will finally see some decency in our courts: maybe judge Lamberth will grant a motion for reconsideration, maybe Chairman Lamar Smith will start Judiciary Committee hearings on ObamaFraudGate."

And maybe pink fuzzy unicorns will fly out of your often googled yahoo and fart pixie dust. That's more likely to happen actually.

27 September - Shakeup at the Pest and eFail??

(Bold face mine)

"Mr. Charlton is a natural born American Citizen and devout Christian, who founded The Post & Email as an act of faith in Christ Jesus: in order to give the common man a vehicle to report the news in his own words to the world. He believes that our country belongs to the people, and that the best natural protection for it, is that the people be given a voice in the public forum. Mr. Charlton is not a registered member of any political party, though he is a staunch opponent of Communism and Fascism. He started The Post & Email as a blog in August 2009, converted it to an electronic newspaper in December 2009, and incorporated it on January 28, 2010. The corporation has been closed and the website is now operated as a sole proprietorship by Sharon Rondeau."

How.......interesting.

27 September - On 19 September, Dr. Orly posted this (malware and redirect warning)

"HELP ME GET IN TOUCH WITH ED KOCH, FORMER MAYOR OF NY
Posted on | September 19, 2011 |
Koch recently announced, that he will campaign in FL to remove Obama from office. I need his help here in CA"

This was in response to a New York Daily News article on 18 September 2011 where Koch said:

"I want to explain why I did what I did, so there's no misunderstanding of my intentions, or of my future plans. I hope President Obama gets the message that's been sent. If he does -- and if he announces, for example, that an attack by Turkey (which is heading toward war with Israel) or an attack by Egypt (which allowed the mob to occupy the Israeli embassy and threaten Israeli diplomats) would be seen as an attack upon the United States -- I'd be happy to support him and even campaign in Florida on his behalf in 2012.

But if he doesn't read the tea leaves and change his position, you can be certain I will continue to bang my drum. I will campaign against him not only in New York, but in other parts of the country next year. I'll be loud and clear about what I believe. There are many Floridians who are concerned about the Obama administration's treatment of Israel, and Florida will be crucial to the President's reelection."

Reading comprehension has never been Dr. Orly's strong point. However, why do I bring this up now?? Because Ben Smith at Politico has this update about Ed Koch:

"Perhaps the Jews-against-Obama storyline has hit its high-water mark.

Ed Koch, citing Obama's speech to the United Nations and an invitation to a "fun" event with the president, writes today:

The President should be praised for intervening with the Egyptian army to save the Israeli diplomatic personnel from physical assault and providing the Israeli military with bunker buster bombs, advanced military technology and providing military intelligence cooperation far exceeding his predecessors. I’m now on board the Obama Reelection Express.

*Chuckle*

27 September - Dr. Orly continues her attempt to attention whore in front of the US Congress (malware and redirect warning)

(redaction mine)

"Unfortunately today citizens of the United States of America are subjected to a substantially more egregious violation of human rights and you are requested to intervene and abate this violation of electoral rights and due process rights.

Please see attached pleadings from Taitz v Astrue, 11-402 USDC District of Columbia, specifically motion for reconsideration and reply from the Department of Justice, representing Commissioner for Social Security Michael Astrue. Attached pleadings provide undisputable proof that the President of the United states Barack Hussein Obama is using in his tax returns and his Selective Service registration a Connecticut Social Security number (redacted), which was never assigned to him according to E-verify, as well as the fact, that the alleged long form birth certificate, that he posted on WhiteHouse.gov, is nothing but a computer generated forgery according to multiple experts."

So right away the members of Congress who get this know to ignore it as the rantings of a crazy person.

"I, Orly Taitz, am a plaintiff in above legal action."

No, really??

"I am a president of a not for profit “Defend Our freedoms” foundation, I am a civil rights attorney and a doctor of dental surgery."

None of which you seem to do very well.

" I witnessed total annihilation of a meaningful right of due process and a right of redress of grievances in relation to this issue, as well as persecution of myself and other dissidents, who dare to bring forward this issue."

Translation - "Wahhh! The courts were MEAN to me and didn't do what I WANTED them to do!!!"

"Based on the above I am respectfully requesting a right to testify before Tom Lantos Human rights commission. "

Good luck with that skippy.

"As you know Congressman Tom Lantos was a holocaust survivor, who acutely felt any violation of human rights. I am a descendant of survivors of pogromi, holocaust and persecution of marranos."

A Marrano was the descendant of Sephardic Jews who were forced to convert to Catholicism in the 1500's, but continued to practice Judaism in secret. (The term "Morisco" was used to describe Muslims that were forced to convert at the same time.) Most of the Marranos migrated to the Ottoman Empire, Latin America, France, Brussels and Antwerp, North Africa, among others. Romania and Bulgaria was also a immigration point up until the 1700's.

It's possible Dr. Orly is telling the truth on that, but I suspect she's trying to make herself look more the victim. And it's ironic she brings up the Pogoms when she's trying to use the same tactics against Obama.

And her invocation of the Shoah in this matter is simply sickening.

"I was appalled and disgusted at the level of persecution of dissidents against Obama regime, which culminated when I ran for secretary of state of California in the Republican primary."

So the fact you ran for office and lost is not only Obama's fault, but a crime against humanity equal to that of the Holocaust??

What the HELL colour is the sky on your freaking planet anyway????

"....some Obama supporters paid and commissioned an artist to paint demeaning nude pictures of me under the title “Birther Orly Taitz” and posted those pictures all over the Internet, in local papers and sent them to my three children. "

By "demeaning" she means "giving birth to a pancake".

"Half a million citizens defined our corrupt establishment and corrupt media and voted for me. If more than half a million people voted for me in one primary in one state, it means that I have a lot of support all over the country, it means that support for the cause that I champion is in the millions."

Or, more than likely, you weren't a scary black man like Damon Dunn.

Oh, and by the way, you didn't get half a million votes. You got 368,000. Damon Dunn got 74% of the vote.

Ah, the joys of birther math.

27 September - Loudon and Monroe Counties seem to be playing "pass the prisoner" with Walter Fitzpatrick.

"A reader of The Post & Email advised us that Walter Francis Fitzpatrick, III has been transferred back to the Monroe County jail.

We called the Loudon County jail to confirm the information, and the deputy who answered the phone said he “had no inmate by that name, so he must have been moved out.”

When we asked why, the deputy replied that he did not know. When we asked why Fitzpatrick had been moved to Loudon County initially, he said, “I have no earthly idea, ma’am.”

Well, between harassing phone calls from birtherstani and Walter Fitzpatrick's own obnoxious behaviour, I suspect Loudon County might have said "here, take him, he's your problem".

27 September - I see "One Pissed-off Vietnam Vet" is indulging in projection again.

"It would be funny if the puppets (Obots) were on an even keel, but how can you take someone seriously when they purposely refuse to acknowledge facts?"

Irony, thy name is birther.

The people who have, from day one, continued to purposely refuse to acknowledge facts - or reality for that matter - are the birthers. For one of them to whine that debunkers and "obots" are the ones doing such because we refuse to buy into their paranoid conspiracy theories and racist diatribes is rather laughable.

"The birth certificate issue is a farce beyond description, yet there are still believers in the charade, and they can only be found in the United States."

Not quite true. Lawrence Sellin lives in Finland. But yes, it is a farce beyond description, and the believers of that charade can be found at the Pest and eFail, Citizen Wells, Dr. Kate, Canada Free Press, Dr. Orly...........

"Saying that Obama should be arrested for having a fake Social Security number is only just and right"

If he HAD one, yes. There's never been any credible evidence to support this claim.

"After all, a federal employee is committing a felony, but to have your life threatened by stating the obvious, that the person occupying Public Housing Unit #1 is a fraud, a liar, and a felon and should be locked up in a cage, preferably down in Gitmo, is a bit much, a little overboard, too much “out there” to be safely discarded and overlooked."

Don't you just love how someone who thinks the President of the United States should be "locked up in a cage down in Gitmo" is complaining about others being "overboard" or "out there".

Mind you, anyone on EITHER side who's making death threats is an idiot in my book.

"A word of advice: be prepared for the worst, because when it goes down, and it very well may, those mindless puppets will have their strings pulled, and even though they know not what they do, they are just as dangerous as those who do. Fighting for the Constitution is the same as fighting for your lives."

Ooooh, threaty.

27 September - Dr. Orly reposts a reply to Sammie Sewell from the Sheriff of Johnson County, Iowa. (Malware and redirect warning)

(Redaction mine)

"From: Lonny Pulkrabek (redacted)
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:03 PM
To: Sam Sewell
Subject: RE: Crimes Against Citizens in Your Jurisdiction and MISPRISION OF FELONY

You seriously need to get some help. If you have enough evidence you should go to a grand jury. If you don’t you should stop bothering people with your rants. Lonny

Lonny Pulkrabek Johnson County Sheriff (redacted)"

*Chuckle* Someone has Sewell's number alright....

27 September - On 13 November 2008, Gary Kreep filed a Writ of Mandate on behalf of Alan Keyes. This was filed in Sacramento County Superior Court against California Secretary of State Debra Bowen. (Case # 34-2008-80000096-CUWMGDS)

There's a few things notable about this case. One was that it was, for the most part, a word for word duplicate of Philip Berg's cases, and was aimed against the Secretary of State for California for not "vetting" Barack Obama before the election.

Another was that Gary Kreep, on the request of co-Plaintiff Wiley Drake, took on an assistant attorney in this case, a little known dentist and former AIPAC delegate with a law degree from an on-line law school, one Dr. Orly Taitz.

It was a decision both Kreep and Drake would later come to regret.

The case was dismissed on 4 May 2009, with costs in the amount of $1390 accessed against the plaintiffs. The decision was appealed on 8 July 2009. (Case #C062321) At this time Dr. Orly Taitz was dropped from the case.

The court ruled on 25 October 2010 that the decision was upheld. That decision was appealed to the California Supreme Court for review on 6 December 2010.

The California Supreme Court denied the petition for review on 2 February 2011. A petition for a writ of certiorari was filed with the US Supreme Court on 2 May 2011. (Case #10-1351)

On 15 June 2011 it was distributed for Conference on 26 September 2011.

On 27 September 2011 orders in pending for the US Supreme Court were issued (PDF here) Keyes v Bowen does not appear on the granted list.

At this point, it can be safely assumed that Keyes v Bowen is dead after almost three years of stinking up the court system.

28 September - Pam Barnett has also paid the $99 to attend the "Value Voters Summit"

"UPDATE: The Birther Summit is pleased to announce the addition of CPT Pamela Barnett (Ret) to our list of representatives who will attend the upcoming Values Voters Summit. As her website states, CPT Barnett is “suing Obama to force the release of all records that will reveal all of his different citizenships. According to Obama’s website he is a “native born” citizen, not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN as required by the U.S. Constitution. Are we a nation of laws?”

She “attended both the Obama, Columbia treason trial in Harlem, NY, and the court martial trial of LTC Terrence Lakin. Also, was a regional campaign manager for Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. I have an active lawsuit in California (pro se, non-attorney) suing the Secretary of State and Jerry Brown for election fraud in the 2008 general election and the 2010 primary.”"

So they're up to three people vying for attention. Good to know.

28 September - Did Daryn Moran get an early morning visit from the Secret Service?? According to the Pest and eFail, the answer is "yes"

(Bold face mine)

"Moran told The Post & Email that two Secret Service agents escorted by a county sheriff visited his home this morning at approximately 3:30 a.m."

O RLY??

"MRS. RONDEAU: What are your needs since your discharge from the Air Force?

MR. MORAN: There’s not a lot of precedence involving my situation. A number of people have called my phone and expressed support, and I know I’m not alone in my feelings about the country. But look at the people in the military who have had issues before. There hasn’t been a lot of help for them other than that I know Mr. Lakin had the Terry Lakin Action Fund.

As it relates immediately, my wife and I are still in our home; we’re not going to be thrown out in the next 30 days or anything like that. For me personally, as far as a job, I’ve been involved in what’s going on here and working hard in Omaha and then this trip planned. So I’ve been tied up, and I’ve been concerned about how an application for a job would go over when I go in for an interview and I have to explain the whole story, and I might need to tell them things that they might not like."

I get the feeling Moran was expecting the birther bucks to flow his way, and is upset that hasn't been the case.

"However, this is new information on what’s happened today as far as the data I described to you earlier about the visit in the middle of the night.

I have a personal responsibility to my family, but as a person and a citizen who was deeply involved from the separation from the military and as a citizen here in the state, we have only so many resources."

Maybe you should have thought about your personal responsibility to my family before deciding you couldn't serve next to Muslims and Gays.

"MRS. RONDEAU: I believe your two biggest objections to staying in the military were the lifting of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and the allegedly forged birth certificate of Obama?

MR. MORAN: Yes, and that’s the same story that I told you before we started the recording: that two Secret Service men came at 3:00 or 3:30 this morning. They were escorted by a county sheriff. Fortunately, this meeting was important because “this was the night,” you could say.""

Interesting wording there, not to mention that they wouldn't have shown up that early unless there was concern Moran was going to do something.....rash.

The night for what, one wonders.

"I hope your readers and listeners will understand that what it boils down to is the job that these two Secret Servicemen did. Their job and full concern was the protection of the President of the United States. I did allow them to take a photograph of me because I don’t mind anybody having my photograph. That doesn’t bother me at all. But they said their job is to protect the president, and that’s the only reason why they were here, because my video brought up the president by name, and in my video, I said I was going to DC to arrest him."

And they were doing their job.

"So I’ve had some time to think about it afterward, and even saying that you’re going to arrest somebody is partly a threat."

One gets the feeling Moran had the crap scared out of him.....

"So what does that bring us up to? What it brings us up to is what can come next in the future. I said today was a “nice” visit. My wife and I were discussing whether or not we should still take this trip. "

"Trip", eh???

"In a way, they’ve already met me and told me, point-blank, “You’re not going to get anywhere near the president.” As I said, they have my face now and they can see me a million miles coming, and they’ll be prepared and ready, which is perfectly fine. That is what we all expect of the Secret Service.

That being said, if I was to continue and make a plan or find support, due to the seriousness of what I’m involved in, the second time around, the visit might not be as “nice.” "

Yeah, someone got his cage rattled.

"I made them understand that I expect and want Barack Obama to be brought to trial in a court. That’s the ultimate goal. It’s not to harm him or his family; it’s not to be a terrorist. It is extremely important that people understand that, because in no way am I a terrorist or a threat to myself or to others."

Rattled big time it seems. And he may have not been the only one:

"Editor’s Notes: A continuation of the interview with former Staff Sergeant Daryn Moran will be published in the near future.
The Post & Email opposes any type of violence or physical harm to any human being at any time. Given the preponderance of evidence that Barack Hussein Obama is a poseur to the presidency and might be involved in serious crimes such as wire fraud, election fraud, forgery, social security fraud, and obstruction of justice, we would like to see a full criminal investigation launched by someone who takes his oath to the U.S. Constitution seriously. If Obama is found to be innocent of the charges, then there is no issue. If he is guilty, then he needs to be brought to justice, as any other American citizen, if he is one, would be."

Interesting wording there from Sharon Rondeau. She's doing some major CYA here.

28 September - Moran has scrubbed his YouTube channel of all birther videos.

28 September - Birther Report updates their 26 September story with news of Moran's Secret Service visit. As provided by a familar name....

"UPDATE: I just got off the phone with Daryn, and want to share, very briefly, what has happened, and where he is in his thinking right now. Two Secret Service agents visited his parents first and then met with Daryn at his home. From what I gathered from our conversation, they explained to him that he can go to DC, he can have meetings about his beliefs, he can state what he believes, but he cannot threaten the "president." They also explained that stating that one is going to arrest the president is a form of threat, so he is not allowed to do that.

He is presently weighing his options, and is not entirely certain what his next step will be, but he said he is thankful for the meeting he had with the agents, as they were able to provide a lot of needed information for him. He will be issuing further statements soon, both through interviews for written articles and follow-up videos. I just wanted everyone to know that he and his family are fine, and he is not, presently, driving to DC to arrest Obama. - Dean Haskins, BirtherSummit.org"

So Zampolit Haskins is involved in this as well then. And yes, it looks like Moran got a wakeup call.

The question is will it stick?

It's interesting to note that while Moran has taken his original "arrest" video down from YouTube, BirtherReport is posting a copy hosted on another site And lookie at comments, lots of people wanting their coup, as long as they don't actually have to do the work.

"Anonymous said...

...It is time to step out from behind your keyboard and take it to the streets. That is the only thing they understand. As the illegal in the White House said it is "time to march".

We need to fight fire with fire.
September 26, 2011 3:10 PM"

"conservativegramma said...
@Anonymous @ 3:06 PM

Regarding your statement: "He still knows where the nukes are buried inside and outside of the U.S." etc. etc. among other top secret info he has. This is precisely why a jail cell isn't going to cut it IMO. He needs to be executed for treason for national security reasons.

This of course AFTER being duly arrested, tried and CONVICTED first. Just in case any of you nutballs out there misinterpret my statement as 'threatening the President' as happened with the intellectually challenged owner of Free Republic a few months ago.
September 26, 2011 7:41 PM"

"Anonymous said...
Obots are ALL talk. They threaten a lot of birthers lives but have not backed up any of their threats with any action. Just a bunch a hot air!! They are nothing but a bunch of lonely agitators that hide behind a keyboard!
September 26, 2011 7:45 PM"

Is that why I have a folder full of death threats from birthers??

"Anonymous said...
A trial was already held for Obama in Harlem. A civil Grand Jury trial under the tenth amendment found him guilty on all counts. He just needs to be arrested now is all! Ask the Reverend James Manning of Atlah church New York, I'm sure he would recommend reading the trial transcripts on his website.
September 26, 2011 10:39 PM

They still think Manning's fake trial had some legal validity.

"Dealio said...
Commykiller hit the nail on the head, again. Hats off to Daryn Moran. He's got guts and we need to follow his lead. Thankyou everyone for doing what you're doing to resolve this. We are all thats left to save us from having to live this lie everyday. I'll admit, its sickening. At some point, we're going to have to join Moran and arrest the illegal. Daryn has already come to that conclusion and is not waiting. A few million backing him up would end this.
September 27, 2011 6:07 AM"

"Anonymous said...
I'll STAND with Daryn! In fact, since I live only 15-miles from the White House, I'll get there the night before and welcome him waving my 3'x5' American Flag!

RacerJim
Vietnam Veteran
September 27, 2011 9:03 AM"

So you're willing to be a cheerleader, but not actually help Moran any.....

"Anonymous said...
It is time for Congress to act. Each member has to take a stand. They are either with Obama and a member of at least some of the organizations that are promoting Obama, such as the Bilderbergers, or they are with the citizens of the United States of America-no half way here. I am sick of the what is allowed to go on in this country, while all who could do something about it look the other way and pretend that Obama is just inexperienced. One person cannot do it, a citizens arrest will not work, we need millions to storm the White House!
September 27, 2011 9:26 AM"

"Anonymous said...
@Commykiller

You are so right! It is time to stop talking and really ACT! Everyone, including Dr.Orly T., Phil Berg, Cmd Kerchner, Leo Donofrio, all the retired generals and others (e.g. birther summit people, Pastor Manning, JB Williams)..... who have ever spoken out about obama eligibility issue,....) and We the people should join him - make it a multi-million man/woman citizen arrest event that is peaceful and direct - to remove the usurper once and for all. Let them arrest all of us, and let the media and the world hear our message loud and clear!
What kind of constitution-abiding people are we if we let SSGT Moran do it all by himself!? We know he is right and he is brave. What are we waiting for?

Chris
September 27, 2011 10:32 AM"

Some birthers aren't happy with Moran though:

"Anonymous said...
This guy is a nut case that is hurting the legitimate investigative work of Corsi, Orly Taitz, WND, and others.

There are better ways to express your concerns rather than to waste the FBI and Secret Service time.
September 26, 2011 2:59 PM

"DGroundhog said...
Called it!

Daryn Moron (zing!) is a nut job. He'll get arrested and the media will try to make him the face of the birthers.
September 27, 2011 12:59 AM

"myveryownpointofview said...
Moran is exactly how the obots want to portray all bithers.

I suggest you supporters look deep into his commenting history - as strictly pertains to the Birther issue - before you claim him as your hero.

As far as this stated intention of his?

Phffffffffffffffffffffffffft. That's what happened.

NO OFFENSE to anyone here, but this guy is a serious johnny-come-lately who is doing whatever he can to be "relevant". In the same ways that birther "kooks" are presented by the media - when they bother to pay attention.
September 27, 2011 1:50 PM"

So here's what I think...

Moran wouldn't have gotten a visit at 3am unless it was believed he was an immediate threat. So, assuming he's not lying about the time in an attempt to play the victim card, I suspect he was about to pull something.

Obama was in Denver that day, about 570 miles from Omaha. If Moran left around 3 or 4, he could have gotten to Denver in about 8 hours. Which would have placed him in an area he could have tried something. If Law Enforcement saw lights and movement in his house at that hour of the morning, they could have very well believed he was an immediate threat. Notice Moran telling Rondeau that "this was the night" and if he should still "take this trip"

Assuming he's not lying though his teeth.....

The big concern though with Moran is that he doesn't seem to have any employment prospects. He blames Obama and government for his getting booted from the Air Force. He really hasn't shown much concern for his wife and children. And he's upset because I suspect he was expecting some money from the birthers or World Nut Daily as a "martyr for the cause" like they see Lakin. And his parents are birthers and seem to be enabling him.

In short, he's desperate and growing increasingly irrational, with nobody in his family willing or able to get him help. The visit from the Secret Service may have served as a wake up call - but I suspect only in the short term. Long term, well....let's hope he's being kept under watch before he can do anything to hurt others - or himself.

Comments

[Shay]

The Secret Service seems to have been a lot nicer than I would have been, in their shoes.

[Joe Acerbic]

Threatening to kidnap ("arrest") the president is punishable with up to 5 years in prison. Moron too got off with a warning because birfoons are "special".

[Real American Patriot]

It doesn't matter. Either Moran will arrest Obambi, or he'll be kicked out of the office he stole. Either way, since he's only a 14th amendment citizen, he shouldn't be in the white house - at least not in a stolen position of authority.

Like any other retired piece of obsolete farm equipment, it's time to dump Obambi.

[That Other Mike]

An appropriate response to RAP.

[The Magic M]

> And yes, it looks like Moran got a wakeup call.

Isn't it interesting how much birthers are like children? Day in, day out, they are stomping their feet, "demanding" stuff and talking like a true bully.
But once they get a friendly warning from the "adults", they suddenly go "I didn't mean it, I promise I'll be good, I couldn't hurt a fly!". Fascinating.

> "He needs to be executed for treason for national security reasons."

I don't think the reasoning works that way. If it did, they'd need to execute me too if they accidentally told me any "national secret". I don't think the Constitution supports that.

> They still think Manning's fake trial had some legal validity.

I always ask birthers bringing up Manning's trial how the jury was "impartially selected". They never have an answer to that. I suppose they know very well that you can't just rally up a couple of Miami Heat fans to declare the Mavs' NBA victory "void".

[Northland10]

but he said he is thankful for the meeting he had with the agents, as they were able to provide a lot of needed information for him.

This makes it sound like the birthers were egging him on with an assurance that there would be no consequences, "everything will be fine" and "you can legally arrest the President." Maybe the agents explained the true consequences should he continue with his plan.

[Tarrant]

You know, in all my time following birthers and debunkers, it's been rare for me to see non-birthers or debunkers threaten birthers with any sort of physical harm. A few times where people have pointed out that the road some birthers are on (LLike Moran, at least at one point) could lead to violence (such as arrest) but not much else.

However, peruse any birther site and one will see dozens of actual threats of harm to at the minimum the President ("Execute him for treason!") and not uncommonly practically anyone who has the audacity to merely be a non-birther.

Perhaps there are groups of non-birthers out there that threaten birthers, there's nuts in any group, but it seems ridiculous to me to see the birthers complaining about threats to their person.

[The Magic M]

> This makes it sound like the birthers were egging him on with an assurance that there would be no consequences, "everything will be fine" and "you can legally arrest the President."

If he actually believed that, I wonder how he got any rank in the armed forces. I mean, it should be obvious to a toddler than you can just "arrest the President" whenever you believe that's justified. If that were possible, every President would've been "arrested" zillions of times.
You don't need a law degree to understand that.

> but it seems ridiculous to me to see the birthers complaining about threats to their person

Sure, but conspiracy believers always see themselves as "the eternal victim". If there are no real threats, their mind makes up some for them.

I remember a birther on WND I debated. He first claimed he felt "threatened" when I asked him if he thought 69 million Obama voters would not care if some wingnut tried to remove the President. Then in the next post he asked me for my home address to pay me a visit with his gun. Go figure...

[Patrick McKinnion]

That Other Mike - I suspect troll, but I don't rule out stupid.

[Donna]

"Given the preponderance of evidence that [insert name here] is a poseur to the presidency and might be involved in serious crimes such as wire fraud, election fraud, forgery, social security fraud, and obstruction of justice, we would like to see a full criminal investigation launched by someone who takes his oath to the U.S. Constitution seriously."

The irony is that Bush and Chaney did most of these things and no one cared about holding up the Constitution then. Can you say "hypocracy"?