Dispatches From Birtherstan - 5-7 January 2013

In today's dispatches, Martha Trowbridge gives Sharon Rondeau a "I love you THIS much" award. Lawrence Sellin stirs from his home in Helsinki to call for a civil war in the United States. At least Larry Klayman still lives in the country he's calling for a revolt in. Meanwhile, the courts in Florida tell Klayman "no, you can't have rehearing, not yours.".

Dr. Orly manages to get proof that she did service the day AFTER her court appearance. Meanwhile, she goes off on a jihad against the US attorney's office by trying to prove he's not really representing anybody. That way she'll get a rehearing. And a pony. Something like that.

Dr. Conspiracy has a phone call with Dr. Orly. Both sides tell their version of the call. Of the two, I'd dare say Dr. Conspiracy's version is far closer to reality. More and more birthers jump on the "please oh please oh please save us John Roberts" bandwagon.

The Surprise! (AZ) Tea Party gets their very own boy defective. Dr. Orly gets a post-trial press conference video that suffers from the side effect of having an idiot for a videographer. Helen Tansey whines that all those nasty "Obots" are being MEAN to the birthers, a plight in which my heart bleeds purple peanut butter for her. And Dr. Orly gets a mad over the court reporter not bending over and going "yes ma'am" to her demands.

31 December - Martha Trowbridge gives her 2012 "Woman of the Year" award to fellow CBI nutcase, professional seditionist Sharon Rondeau.

"Terrible Truth is pleased to assign its 2012 Woman Of The Year Award to Sharon Rondeau, Editor / Owner of The Post & Email.

Her uncompromising dedication to journalistic integrity, courage, and indefatigable efforts on behalf of We The People render Ms. Rondeau an impeccable role model for our corrupted-media times."

Funny, most of us noticed her complete lack of journalistic integrity, lack of ethics of any kind, not to mention things like promoting the overthrow of the US Government and receiving stolen property. But then again, unlike Trowbridge, we do live in the reality-based community.

3 January - Lawrence Sellin shows up at the New York Daily Sun.

"Many Americans now realize that Obama is the nation’s first openly illegal President and unindicted felon. He has reigned over a lawless administration and, in November 2012, Obama stole the Presidential election through voter fraud. The US Government is presently occupied and supported by liberal fascists, who are intent on destroying our Constitutional republic and our liberty."

By "many Americans" he means "a small number of treason minded conspiracy wackadoodles".

And while Sellin is safe at his home in Helsinki, Finland, he's more than happy to pound the drums in hopes his fellow "patriots" start killing other American citizens.

"The first “shots” of a Second American Revolution have not been fired, but the battle lines have been drawn.

(snip)

Like the militia at Lexington and Concord, it is now the responsibility of ordinary Americans to restore the Constitution and save the republic.

It is time to confront the liberal fascists with opposite and overwhelming force."

Sellin seems to be another coward. Happy to try and stir things up so people die, but unwilling to do more than spend time overseas writing about it.

4 January - Deadbeat dad Larry Klayman uses World Nut Daily to preach sedition and revolt. Again.

(Bold face mine)

"Today, and as just one example among an ever-expanding array of disgraceful illegal acts by our judges on a daily basis, the refusal of courts to hear eligibility challenges concerning the status of Barack Hussein Obama as a “natural born citizen” reinforces the reality that we no longer have a functional legal system. Notwithstanding that the result is a black-Muslim, anti-white, anti-Semitic and anti-Christian “Manchurian candidate” fraudster socialist tyrant in the Oval Office – bent on tearing down and destroying the pillars of our formerly capitalist society – “We the People” have been left defenseless, legally, by the judges who have taken an oath to obey the U.S. Constitution, the law and mete out justice."

Translation - "Wahhh! The courts keep telling me no!!! WAHHHHH"

And it's interesting that Klayman has to say "black-Muslim" and "anti-white". Some projection going on there Mr. Klayman?

"The time has come after a long line of “abuses and usurpations” for us to rise up and demand that our current so called rulers leave “Dodge City,” or suffer the consequences as King George III was forced to do.

I am currently in a deep contemplative mood on how to try to do this peacefully without resort to violence. The Founding Fathers, however, ultimately concluded that peaceful means were not possible.

We now find ourselves at a similar crossroads with little time to waste before the nation is totally destroyed by its corrupt and degenerate establishment rulers."

And in comments:

"Freedom Fighter • 2 days ago −

I believe a Revolution is what this country needs to rid the corruption out of the government. It's the peoples duty!

Example here: Everyone knows that Barry is not eligible to be president, birth certificate has been proven by experts that it is fraudulent and the voting booths that showed errors while voting for Romney proves this election was stolen but yet this corruption is swept under the rug and Barry the POS-Muslim is still on the throne.

The government was put in by the people and when the government no longer listens to the majority of the people then it's time for an overhaul!"

"Freedom Fighter • a day ago

Don't get me wrong……..Believing in God is the way to go but there are times that praying is not enough. God will not be lending his hand to us on this one because he gave us all "free will" and it will be up to us to rid this evil on our own.

We are way beyond of turning the other cheek and loving thy enemy! Good must overcome the evil within or this country will be lost. When this civil war begins, many people will die but it will be the people the good that will conquer this evil in the end!"

"Robert Hebert • a day ago −

I'm afraid nothing less than a shooting, killing war will solve our problems.Our Elected officials are not afraid of us and until then, we will continue to have this crap."

Klayman may be a right-wing conspiracy nut, but he's not stupid. He knows exactly what he's trying to stir up here.

4 January - Order denying motion for rehearing in Voeltz v Obama v3.0

(Scribd link here)

"The Court having considered the Motion, the Defendants Responses, and Plaintiffs Reply, finds no factual or legal cause to recede from its prior ruling that it lacks subject matter jurisdiction. The Court notes, once again, that this lack of subject matter jurisdiction was addressed inJudge Cooper's Order of Dismissal in Voeltz II on September 6,2012. No appeal was taken from that Order and the time to do so has long since run. The motion for rehearing is DENIED. No petitions for clarification or further rehearing will be entertained by the Court."

Yeah, they sound rather annoyed.

4 January - Better late than never?? (malware and redirect warning)

"NOTICE of Additional proof of service, by professional server of process on Barack Hussein Obama, President of the Senate, Congress, Electoral College. Order received by process server on 12.22.2012, service of process completed 01.04.2013

Posted on | January 4, 2013 "

Funny, but on 3 January, didn't you swear, under oath and as an officer of the court, that you had already DONE process?

In other words, you lied to the judge. Good to know.

4 January - Notice of Appeal in Voeltz v Obama v3.0

(Scribd link here)

All it is is Larry Klayman attaching as "exhibits" the two previous dismissal orders.

4 January - So Dr. Orly's next idea - harass members of congress by claiming that the US attorney in her electoral college case wasn't representing them (malware and redirect warning)

"Very important! I need you to call your congressmen, senators and electors and verify, whether the US attorney/department of Justice notified them of the law suit and of the position taken by the US Attorney in this law suit

Posted on | January 4, 2013 "

I am not an attorney, but it seems to me that the Justice Department doesn't need to go play "mother may I?" with the House and Senate every time some dingbat files a conspiracy-laden lawsuit.

"It came to my attention that many defenedants were clueless about the law suit. US Attorney stated that he represents all of them and opposed the TRO, however, if he did not notify them and did not advice them that he is opposing the TRO on their behalf, then he has a serious problem and at the very minimum we are entitled to a rehearing."

Yeah, good luck with that idea, skippy.

"I need you to call your represntative, senators and electors and check, if they were notified by the US attorney and provide me with a sworn declaration in regards to a response received by you. This is very important, we need to reach as m any as possible by Monday"

*Rolls eyes*

And in comments:

" Samanta `Simpson
January 4th, 2013 @ 7:05 pm

Can you arrest the U.S. attorney for this?"

Talk about "clueless".

Oh, and check out the comment she approved for posting: (Bold face mine)

" AMJ January 4th, 2013 @ 7:18 pm

Sadly: the time of peaceful protest, hold signs is over. Orly I know u can’t condone violence but I can. We have a dictator in charge of our military and soon will be making an example out of those that go against him. The D lawmakers couldn’t get enough support to make the gun grab happen in IL. The Ds may be our only hope. The Rs have such a currupt past they can’t stop O. These judges have been threatened into ruling shaker their oath. People like JOSHUA BOLTON will hopefully lead us in a revolt against our government. This was what I have feared for so long but that time is here. I expect the killing to get worse until he gets his gun grab passed. When we have nothing but rocks to throw like the people you see in Europe it will be imposable. I don’t see many rocks laying around in DC While I’m at it I may have to stop by Fox studio’s and clean house there first. At least I would feel I accomplished something before I’m takin out. The time to fight is here NOW"

And today's law enforcement visit goes to….

And it speaks volumes as to Dr. Orly's contemptible, self-serving behaviour that she would actually allow that though her moderation. Remember, she approves every comment that appears on her blog.

5 January - World Nut Daily reports on the judges in Voeltz v Obama v3.0 getting really sick of birther reindeer games in their courtrooms.

"Florida Circuit Judge Kevin Carroll, who previously cited the fictitious judge in “Miracle on 34th Street” in a ruling, now says he’s done with arguments over Barack Obama’s eligibility.

Carroll released an order today refusing to hear a request for a hearing that is allowed under state law when there are doubts about a candidate’s eligibility. And let that be the last, the judge said.

“No petitions for clarification or further rehearing will be entertained by the court,” he said in his ruling that refused to respond to a request for the state-allowed hearing in a case brought by Michael Voeltz.

“The court … finds no factual or legal cause to recede from its prior ruling that it lacks subject matter jurisdiction,” he wrote."

And cue Larry Klayman whining.

"The attorney handling the case for Voeltz, Larry Klayman, founder of Freedom Watch, told WND if the judge doesn’t want to address the dispute, then he’ll take it to the appellate level, and that filing could occur as early as this weekend."

Where I'm sure the appellate judges will treat it with the same level of enthusiasm one normally reserves for removing a dead skunk from under the house. In August.

5 January - Wonkette chimes in about Dr. Orly.

"We know, we know, gentle readers, that there’s nothing particularly crazy about this yet. Well, it would be crazy for yr Wonkette or a (hopefully) decent-sized chunk of our commentariat to decide to stop electoral vote counting, but it is pretty low-level nonsense for the best-looking birther. Confession time: we are totally burying the lede here because sometimes you have to build up to the very besets parts. First, there was the utterly delightful part of the hearing where the judge argued with her for an hour and told her “Your argument, it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.” Judge whoever you are, we love you so hard right now. THEN there was the beautiful moment where the judge asked her (in our Orly Taitz fanfic, this judge part is spoken in a sort of breathless, pleading exasperation) “Why do you keep filing these lawsuits when they keep getting rejected?” In response, there was, perhaps, the best statement by a dentist lawyer in Law and Order: Special Birther Division history:

Taitz responded by comparing herself to Thurgood Marshall and his persistence in filing suits to fight segregation. She explained that one of the plaintiffs is a Republican elector for Mitt Romney, who came in second to Obama in November.

You know what? We got nothing. Reality has exceeded parody by SO FUCKING FAR now that the Editrix can likely get rid of us all, as Orly Taitz’ mere existence will provide enough material forever and ever."

5 January - Dr. Conspiracy has a phone conversation with Dr. Orly.

"She had questions about what I wrote. We talked for over an hour on a wide range of topics. It was interesting. A lot of what she said you can find in her writing and I won’t go into details about the conversation which I consider private anyway. It was civil and she was rather eloquent in explaining why she feels the way she does.

For my part, I agreed that I have no objection if Obama choses to release additional documents. That’s his decision. I personally don’t doubt his credentials, but it’s not my affair.

We both agreed that a “document on the Internet is not proof.” It may be a picture of proof, but it’s not proof."

I think that underscores a lot of the issues I have with the birthers. I don't think there has ever been a debunker out there who has claimed that a picture of a document on the internet is proof. It's always been the birthers who have claimed that their "evidence" that the images are somehow "forged" is proof that the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT is forged.

As for if President Obama chooses to give more documents, while I agree it's his decision, I also think it's rather sickening if the whole "show us your papers, BOY!" attitude the birthers have actually bears any fruit. President Obama has done more to prove his identity and his bona fides than any other president in US history, and for the birthers, it's not enough. It will never BE enough. They will NEVER accept anything that proves President Obama is who he says he is.

5 January - Addicting Info covers the "please save us John Roberts" crowd.

"For the birthers, 8 USC § 1401 isn’t enough. Obama may be a native born citizen (although there are many birthers who don’t believe even that), but he is not natural born because both his parents were not U.S. citizens. They insist on a literal, originalist interpretation of the Constitution, which, as previously noted, does not define “natural born” in any way, shape or form. An essay titled “The Constitutional Meaning of ‘Natural Born Citizen,‘” explains that “natural born” can’t be defined by man-made laws because it is defined by natural law. However, this essay goes into very complicated detail about the differences between natural born, native born and naturalized, and in essence, calls the natural born status of many into question, based on its explanations and analyses.

Obama is qualified to be the President of the United States because the law, despite being a man-made law, says he is natural born, and the courts have upheld that. The Supreme Court, in fact, refused to hear a lawsuit challenging Obama’s citizenship and eligibility status, and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the plaintiffs did not have legal standing to file the lawsuit.

That’s the birthers’ first problem. Their second problem is that they don’t seem to know what the Constitution actually says as regards to who can administer the oath of office to the President. An article by the Daily Kos quotes Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 8 of the Constitution and mentions that the birthers, who are so insistent on adhering to the Constitution, have no idea what it actually says about the oath of office. Paragraph 8 says, in full:

“Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:–’I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.’”

The Daily Kos correctly notes that it says nothing whatsoever about who must administer the oath, and that having the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court do it is merely tradition. In other words, anybody who is legally able to administer a legal oath can administer this one, and it will be perfectly acceptable in the eyes of the Constitution."

5 January - Dr. Orly gives her spin on her conversation with Dr. Conspiracy. (Malware and Redirect warning)

"We agreed on two main points:

1. Computer image posted by Obama on whiteHouse.gov is not a document, it is just a coputer image, it is not a certified copy, it cannot be used by anybody for any purpose.

2. Certified copy differs from the computer printout in that a certified copy contains ultraviolet safety feature, which is built in the security paper. when you get your passport you have to provide a proper document: an original or a certified copy with proper security features. If there is a reason to doubt authenticity of the document, then an original needs to be examined."

So far so sane.

"Mr. Davidson stated that he read an article by someone in Brazil, who stated that in some instances when MRC compression is done, there can be a halo effect and that this compression can be done by some scanners."

What Dr. Orly fails to note here that the "someone in Brazil" is a University professor who has patented many of the image compression algorithms used in scanning and digital imaging.

"If it is something that would be created by a scanner there, then we would have seen it in every birth certificate, however we see it only in Obama’s."

Funny, I've scanned my certificate of live birth from California, opened it up in Illustrator, and seen the same things. Particuarly if the scanner is also using OCR as well.

"At which point I stated that I do not even need to go into all the details. If he admits that a scanner can cause the letter to take different shapes and sizes, the spaces to appear, white halo to appear, multiple layers to appear and most importantly the stamp of the registrar to be moved around the document and be imported into the document from some other document, then obviously this computer image cannot be used for verification of anything, particularly not the eligibility of the US President,"

Yes, but the birthers, from Polarik on down, have always said these scanner artifacts are "proof" that the ORIGINAL document is a forgery.

"We discussed a number of other issues.I will limit my report by this main point. I will only mention that he agreed that the way I was attacked and called names, the way some individuals were painting nude pornographic paintigs of me in order to assassinate me as a human being was inappropriate and this should not have been done. He blamed people running fogbow."

I strongly doubt he blamed the people running Fogbow. That doesn't strike his as his style.

"I believe he wants to distance himself from unscrupulous characters and he wants the truth to come out."

I like "Dr. Conspiracy" a lot. And I understand why he wished to be a gentleman to Dr. Orly. One of the main reasons why I've always tried to have the smallest amount of contact possible with her is that I know damn well she'll twist anything anyone says to suit her own purposes.

I hope this doesn't bite him on the rear.

And in comments, seems I was right, he didn't told "The Fogbow" accountable:

" Kevin Davidson
January 5th, 2013 @ 5:39 pm

Let me clarify one point, in this otherwise reasonably accurate description of our conversation.

I do not hold with personal insults and ridicule as a way for decent people to address each other. Everyone gets angry sometimes, and I’m not immune to saying things I regret later. People on my blog sometimes say fairly nasty things about Orly Taitz, and commenters at the Fogbow do that even more. I don’t agree with that.

I was certainly offended by the Lacey nude paintings of Orly Taitz; however, I did not say, nor do I have any reason to believe, that anyone at the The Fogbow had any connection with those nude paintings.

One other clarification: I did not say that Obama’s PDF birth certificate file could not be used as evidence BECAUSE it has layers and the registrar stamp can be moved around in an image editing program. I say that it is not evidence because it is only a picture of a birth certificate, not the certificate itself. Only the certified copy of the birth certificate, lawfully issued by a jurisdiction and with the signature and seal of the issuer is legal evidence."

Alas, It looks like his attempt to be a gentleman is already backfiring.

" The Truth January 5th, 2013 @ 5:54 pm

Dr. Conspiracy is a smug, know-it-all Obamabot who frequently comments for the usurper’s side, after any article or posting about Obama’s false papers. He is not to be trusted about anything.

I’m surprised he mentioned that he read something about someone doing some experiment in Brazil. He uses this as an arguement? Now who is being ridiculous now Mr. Davidson? Is this just another misdirection? I think so.
Kevin is currently on the short list of possible suspects who may have put together this poor excuse for a birth certificate. Now that’s something to be proud of."

" Itchik
January 5th, 2013 @ 5:57 pm

Dr. Conspiracy is either the stupidest, least qualified person to ever speak on the issue or he is the biggest bald-faced liar on earth, next to Obama. The scanner changed the letters????!!!! Are you f***ing kidding me???!!! This is the most ridiculous thing I think I have ever heard! Utter and and absolute bullshit!

Somebody needs to ask the engineers at Canon, Brother, Nikon and Hewlett-Packard about the possibility that an imaging device as precise and reliable as a modern scanner could do such a thing? Be prepared to be laughed out of the building! There is NFW that this is even remotely possible! And if it were, EVERY single company currently manufacturing scanners would be out of business. Laughable!"

Funny, I've seen a top-of-the-line, brand new, Konica-Minolta BizHub Pro do exactly that. As does a stand-alone Canon flatbed scanner with OCR software.

"Itchik" doesn't know what they're talking about.

And another example of birther family values:

" Lady Liberty's Biggest Fan
January 5th, 2013 @ 8:05 pm

Dr. Taitz Esq. you are a hero if I may be so bold, you are going to save the republic. My children and grandchildren will no longer speak to me because of Obama and his sneaky ways, but they will return to my loving arms and apologize once you are through with him and they see what I’ve been talking about FOR YEARS! LONG LIVE LADY LIBERTY! (That is you.)

- Bob Abooey"

I suspect "Bob Abooey" is going to be waiting a while.

And here's a really sickening post from copier salesman and pyramid power book author Douglas Vogt: (bold face mine)

" Douglas Vogt
January 6th, 2013 @ 12:59 am

Dear Kevin,

You had told me you just worked for the South Carolina department of Health. I guess your job was just scanning certificates. You called me a liar after my first report on the birth certificate. This was a big mistake on your part. It looks like you had lied to all of us by not honestly telling your audience that you were paid by the administration, most likely through Jim Johnson, to defend Obama no matter what falsehood the Obots would resort to. Well Kevin, over a year and a half has passed and Paul Irey and myself have found over 22 points of forgery on Obama’s COLB. We did not use the PDF copy even thought that alone proved evidence of electronic manipulation. We used the reporters copy from one of the networks that was at the April 27, 2011 news conference. At 300 dpi it showed us all we needed to know. By the way the white halo is caused by unsharp mask and finally Mara Z. agreed with us.

Well let's see:

1) No real document expert has confirmed your findings.
2) Paul Irey claimed the long form was a forgery BEFORE HE EVER SAW IT. This is what's called "Confirmation bias".
3) Mara Zebest had been promoting claims about "forgeries" since 2008. Again, confirmation bias".

"I have a little message for you. One I have already told John Woodman and RC. I believe you were paid for your services from the Obama handlers and that makes you an accessory after the fact in a treason case. You helped let a foreign communist agent to become president of the US for the purpose of destroying the country. I don’t want you to take my word for it Kevin, just read the Federal Statutes below:"

He then, almost lovingly cites:

"Title 18, Chapter 1 General Provisions; Section. 3. Accessory after the fact, Statute:
Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States has been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact. Except as otherwise expressly provided by any Act of Congress, an accessory after the fact shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the principal, or both; or if the principal is punishable by life imprisonment or death, the accessory shall be imprisoned not more than 15 years.

What makes it Treason is this:
Title 18, Chapter 115; TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
Sec. 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government look it up yourself and read it."

And just to underscore the blood and death he's dreaming about:

"And my all time favorite:
Title 18, Chapter 228, DEATH SENTENCE
Sec. 3592. Mitigating and aggravating factors to be considered in determining whether a sentence of death is justified
(a) Mitigating Factors. – In determining whether a sentence of death is to be imposed on a defendant, the finder of fact shall consider any mitigating factor, including the following:
(b) Aggravating Factors for Espionage and Treason. – In determining whether a sentence of death is justified for an offense described in section 3591(a)(1), the jury, or if there is no jury, the court, shall consider each of the following aggravating factors for which notice has been given and determine which, if any, exist:
(2) Grave risk to national security. – In the commission of the offense the defendant knowingly created a grave risk of substantial danger to the national security. [Emphasis added]
(3) Grave risk of death. – In the commission of the offense the defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death to another person. [Emphasis added]

There is nothing worst than helping a foreign agent to become President. Because of your actions you may be looking at 15 years in prison. This will give you something to think about.

My only question for you is: Why did you want an known socialist/communist to become president? Are you a socialist yourself?"

I really can't see this as anything other than Vogt dreaming of seeing the people who disagree with him put to death.

Seriously, how thin-skinned does one have to be to wish blood and death upon people who simply showed that one is wrong?? The fact that Vogt seems to be almost lovingly quoting treason penalties to his critics shows he's not only thin-skinned, but almost pathological about it.

And Dr. Orly ALLOWED this post to put though her own moderation.

Oh, and Douglas Vogt also believes in the "paid bloggers" thing.

"Douglas Vogt
January 6th, 2013 @ 12:58 pm

First of all I am the one that has a clear cut cast for libel against you. Remember you are the one who called me a liar.

Well, you ARE a liar. And a conspiracy crank. Next?

However, if you want to pursue a libel case in court, go for it. I'm sure watching real experts dismantle your claims in court would be rather entertaining to watch.

"(snip)

Paul or me. Collectively we have over 90 years experience in topography, graphics, computer graphics, scanners, document imaging and typewriters. What do you have?"

Sanity. common sense, and a grounding in facts and reality.

"(snip)

You see dear Kevin, you don’t have to be paid at all to be an accessory after the fact. You just have to render assistance and you admitted you were “a leader of the Obama technical defense on the internet for 4 years.” Didn’t you think about the consequences of what you were doing? Didn’t it dawn on you: why is this man, Obama, need to hire about 100 Obots to suppress any truthful evidence that would be published about his birth certificate? A truthful man with a legitimate birth certificate does not need to hire hundreds of paid liars and millions to lawyers to defend him. You can’t be that stupid."

The stupidity is that anyone would actually BELIEVE claims of "100 paid Obots" and the like.

Of course, Dr. Conspiracy can speak in his own defense as well.

"Kevin Davidson
January 6th, 2013 @ 10:34 am

Additionally to Mr. Vogt:

You say you believe that I was paid for my debunking of the birthers.

Well, you believe a lot of things without a shred of evidence. Why should it surprise me that you did it again.

I told Orly, although she didn’t report it in her article, that I’m not paid for my blogging activities, and have no direction from anybody else.

I’m not looking at a prison term, but you might be looking at a lawsuit for libel."

Indeed. However, he decides to take the high road.

" Kevin Davidson
January 6th, 2013 @ 3:02 pm

Mr Vogt:

“You already admitted you were “a leader of the Obama technical defense on the internet for 4 years.””

Those are Orly’s words, not mine. See:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/the-annotated-orly/

I am not going to sue. I am a Christian and Jesus told his followers (Luke 12:58) not to get involved in lawsuits. redacted If I sued every time a birther yelled treason at an opponent, my whole life would be consumed by lawsuits. It doesn’t damage me when you utter such libel, and I have better things to do.

I claim that you lied specifically when you said that a 2005 statute required scanning of birth certificates by states, something that you repeated under oath in Georgia. I read the statute you cited and what you said there was not in there. If you can find “scan” or “imaging system” anywhere in that statute. If it’s there, please show me and I will apologize."

Not that Dr. Orly's cavity creeps know what the high road is:

" Lady Liberty's Biggest Fan
January 6th, 2013 @ 3:57 pm

I googled Kevin Davidson and found him listed in San Diego! He lied about living in NC or wherever, he lives in San Diego and I pooped on his lawn this morning, for Liberty!

– Bob Abooey"

Klassy with a K(KK).

5 January - Dr. Conspiracy does a response to the birthers in the wake of his phone conservation with Dr. Orly.

"I have spent four and a half years studying the birthers, focusing primarily on their arguments and their evidence. Others on my side of the fence have spent time studying the personalities of individual birthers. I’ve read thousands of pages of birther legal briefs and web sites; I’ve watched innumerable videos. It is my belief, and readers may feel free to contradict me, that we Obots (meaning “anti-birthers”) know the birthers very well, but it is also my experience that birthers know virtually nothing about Obots and their thinking."

Having spent about that much time myself, I would tend to agree with him. I've said for years that I've never seen ANY credible evidence to back any of their claims. What I have seen is an "echo chamber" mentality where only their facts and beliefs are permitted in their blogs and forums, and any dissent is immediately dismissed.

And then they wonder why their claims don't fare well in a real-life courtroom.

6 January - So yeah, Dr. Orly thinks harassing the Members of Congress and US Senators is a GREAT idea. (Malware and redirect warning)

"It came to the attention of the plaintiffs that a number of Defendants actually shared the concerns of the plaintiffs and did not know that the US attorneys represented them and opposed the motion for TRO. You are requested to fill out the questioner below and clarify whether you were aware of the facts and evidence provided with the complaint and that you authorized Wagner and Olsen to oppose the TRO."

She follows this with a 16 question birther myths summary that she wants the Members of Congress and Senate to fill out and get back to her, and she thinks it will entitle her to a rehearing if they don't respond.

Funny, this looks like she's trying to establish inappropriate contact with the agencies defense is representing, Not to mention trying to get discovery without a court order. This would be unethical if the State Bar of California actually existed and cared about enforcing their professional ethics rules.

6 January - The Surprise (AZ) Tea Party gets a guest speaker for 15 January. Namely Maricopa CCCP Boy Defective, Mike Zullo.

"Current Issues

Eligibility Issue Ongoing Investigation – Developments Able To Be Disclosed (And Some Are)

Discussion Period

Question and Answers"

Yet me guess. An hour of blovating over Jerome Corsi's "findings", a batch of whining from people wondering why Arpaio hasn't arrested that uppity darkie or lynched him, some "wahhhh, there's a scary black man in the WHITE House", more Corsi lies, and a plea for some birther bucks.

6 January - The Western Center for "Journalism" joins the "Save Us Obi-Wan Roberts, you're our only hope" crowd.

"This was to guarantee that the President did not have divided loyalties as we have with Obama and his Muslim roots"

Notice most of the birther sites aren't even trying to tone down the bigotry anymore.

"If Chief Justice Roberts administers the Oath of Office to Obama in defiance of the Constitution and his own knowledge, the Republic is as good as dead; and he will have handed the Coup de Grace to the nation and opened himself to impeachment.

He must publicly stand and denounce Obama as unfit to lead and refuse to swear him in. That is, if he intends to comply with his Oath to “Protect and Defend the Constitution…from all enemies Foreign or Domestic”!

We will have to wait and watch what will unfold; may he have the conviction of a patriot and stand for the Constitution. If he does not…who will?

The World wonders…our Republic is now in the hands of one man and one man only!"

Shades of Jan 2009. Remember how the people at Berg's House o' Treason were absolutely convinced there was no way Chief Justice Roberts would DARE give the oath of office to that scary black man.

And, in comments, our old friend Gabe Zolna:

"Gabor Zolna says:
January 6, 2013 at 12:41 pm

Think that this time around, Roberts will make Obama swear on a bible, there was not one present the last time he was sworn it. I kind of think that this time Obama will want a Koran since that is his real faith."

He's not the only bigot there:

"Bear9249 says:
January 6, 2013 at 1:03 pm

Because he is not natural born he probably feels that he is above the law or oath. Also Muslims are told to lie to the enemy to betray anyone against Islam! IMPEACH ALREADY!"

6 January - On the other hand, George Miller isn't that optimistic.

"I don’t have high hopes, since Roberts has already violated our Constitution multiple times and did in fact administer the oath to Obama twice before, albeit incompetently the first time. "

6 January - Dr. Orly's buddy, William Wagener, posts a video of her post-trial street-side"press conference" attended by about 20-23 people/

"William Wagener interviews the Witnesses, that Treasonous Federal Judge Morrison ENGLAND, jr. refused to let testify on the TRO motion Jan. 3rd, 2013, to stop the swearing in of Barack OBAMA. Listen to Pamela Barnett, and decide yourself if she is expert enough to testify. Clearly Judge England, did NOT want any evidence ON THE RECORD"

It's rather hand to listen to, because for some reason Wagener placed his camera by the street. The traffic noise comes though rather well. And it's rather interesting to note that Dr. Orly claims Grinols became an elector so he would supposedly have standing for such challenges.

Interesting indeed.

And in comments:

"joe banana 4 hours ago

Absolutely repulsive, disgusting actions by a dysfunctional traitor judge. This is unacceptable, this judge needs to hang. The US judicial system is a corrupt cesspool of criminality, an organized crime syndicate, of no use to the people. A harmful entity to society, a danger to the public at large. I'm buying a sniper rifle."

And today's visit from law enforcement goes to….

6 January - Irony, thy name is birther. From Birther Report, former PUMA and Article2SuperDuperExtraCrispyBucketofPAC founder Helen Tansey whines:

" Helen Tansey · 1 day ago
ORYR - thank you for taking the time to manage your threads and for ridding the board from all of the nastiness the handful of obot posters wrought. It's a pleasure to read through the comments now to learn what others are constructively sharing just as it is informative to go to the obot sites to read their posters comments on related topics from time to time.

I always found it interesting how different these obots behaved when posting at their home sites vs here. At their home sites they are respectful, helpful, funny and courteous to the community, yet here they are nasty, ugly, mean spirited and beyond civil. Why they feel the need to pave constitutional sites such as ORYR day after day with their liberal dribble is certainly an indication they suffer from some sort of psychological fallacy. Some say the liberal mind is defective and after witnessing month after month of their shrill holier than thou know it all posts here, I must confess I have come to believe such a theory has more validity than I once gave credit.

There is something very, very wrong with not only their "closed" belief system but with their juvenile need to be right no matter the issue no matter the cost even when they are dead wrong. This is how children behave, and if I'm not mistaken the majority of these obot posters are over the age of 25. Maybe part of their psychosis is the fact that they've never grown up and never bothered to crawl out of their masters matrix. Hopefully someday and soon they will.

Whatever their motivation I am thankful as a reader they've been sent packing."

1) I find it rather funny to hear her whine that so-called "Obots" at birther sites are "nasty, ugly, mean spirited and beyond civil". For starters, she's saying this at "Birther Report" which has been more and more openly racist, nasty, and vile of late. Second off, if I want a good example of just how "nasty, ugly, mean spirited and beyond civil" the birthers can get, all I have to do is open my inbox or see this month's death threat.

2) "Closed belief system"?? "Juvenile need to be right no matter the issue no matter the cost even when they are dead wrong"?? This is one of the most blatant examples of projection I've seen from a birther. She's writing this in a closed ecosystem that doesn't allow dissenting thought or belief, attacks and belittles fellow birthers that don't follow the party line to the letter, and supports a conspiracy theory they have clung to despite the fact that the law doesn't support it, the US Constitution doesn't support it, 200+ years of legal history in this country doesn't support it, and reality doesn't support it.

3) So she's thankful that "Birther Report" is now a model of idological conformity untroubled by anything close to free thought or dissenting opinion.

I find it hysterically funny that she's whining about the mean nasty "Obots", and yet her whines are about things that are the status quo for birther sites and birther blogs.

The funniest thing is they're blind to their own hypocrisy.

Oh, and in response to Tansey's comment, "Hawk" advocates violence against unbelievers.

" hawk · 1 day ago

excuse the length -
NOW YOU KNOW THE REMEDY. Remember, they do the atrocious behavior on purpose to goad you into giving them the
beating they want and never got in order to preserve THEIR SANITY and knock them down to reality! Poking them so they see this is not a fairy tale to them at all (the good undeserved life.)
NOW YOU KNOW THE REMEDY. Remember, they do the atrocious behavior on purpose to goad you into giving them the
beating they want and never got in order to preserve THEIR SANITY and knock them down to reality! Poking them so they see this is not a fairy tale to them at all (the good undeserved life.)"

Which leads to:

" hawk · 1 day ago
Tansey

So by beating, I mean we must fight and confront all their nasty agendas. So be mean, be firm, never give in, but most of all give them the secular whacking they need and want not feel no compunction, guilt, or anger about. It does take getting off that couch, however.
LET’S DO IT! There is a march taking place on November 5, 2013 to ARREST ALL OF CONGRESS, A CERTAIN MR. BARRY
SAETORO, AND THE SUPREME COURT. IT IS NOT A PROTEST BUT A SIMPLE CITIZEN ARREST ACTION FOR THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE USURPED THE CONSTITUTION WHICH THEY TOOK AN OATH TO DEFEND AND PRESERVE AND HAVE NOT FULFILLED THAT OBLIGATION OR DUTY AND HAVE COMMITTED TREASON.
Do not be afraid. They all are liberals with spoil-brat syndrome and actually want to be arrested, want to be clobbered. We must carry through and do our duty lest we all suffer under this common but easily corrected malady and we must show we will not tolerate such atrocious behavior."

There's also the usual calls for sedition:

" SirWilhelm · 13 hours ago
I differ with your opinion in one respect. I believe, most of the Republicans in the government are now RINOS, they are really as Socialist as those that have taken over the Democrat Party. They try to maintain their Republican disquise, because they're not ready to reveal there is really only one political group controlling the government, the Left. As long as they maintain the appearance of a loyal opposition, the less chance the People will realize what has really happened, and try to reverse the coup by the only means left, rebellion. If there are any conservatives left in the government, it appears they have been intimidated into co-operating with the coup. Ultimately, all tyrannies are based on fear."

Racism:

" ThomasThePaine · 6 hours ago

What did you expect from an affirmative action nword?"

" hawk · 2 hours ago

jh4freedom · 1 hour ago
40% of white voters voted for the usurper.

read my exclusion again: excluding the communist whites in dc - they are bloodsucking coward/bootlickers. NO whites with brains wouls have ever voted for a foreign muslim sleeper cell illegal. remember obama committed voter fraud."

And batguano crazy.

"manoncanal 60p · 7 hours ago

Every man and woman should be in a state militia and be armed to the teeth. I for one don't like the idea of a kenyan taking our guns and putting us in fems camps and plastic caskets. Washington is evil, everyone of them."

6 January - Dr. Orly is really fixated on that whole "find out if the Members of Congress and Senate got my stinking piles of taitz" thing (malware and redirect warning)

"questionnaire sent to Senator Marco Rubio, congressmen Nelson, Castor and others. don’t let go until you have a signed answer from them. if they consented to opposition to TRO, they are complicit in cover up of forgery and in treason

Posted on | January 6, 2013"

OrlyLogic - If they didn't know anything about her stinking pile of taitz, then the US Attorney isn't really representing them and she gets a rehearing without that nasty ol' defense attorney. And if they did know, then they're all Traitor McTreasonpants and she wins! I guess in her alleged mind, when she files one of her legal piles of taitz, the defendants are supposed to roll over on their backs, wave all four limbs in the air, and do what she demands or else.

I wonder what color the sky is on her home planet?

7 January - Cody Judy gets the word from the Supreme Court about his appeal.

(PDF here)

"REHEARINGS DENIED

(snip)

12-5276 JUDY, CODY R. V. OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF U.S., ET AL."

However, Cody Judy isn't the only birther to get bad news today from the Supreme Court.

"CERTIORARI DENIED

12-467 SIBLEY, MONTGOMERY B. V. DC BD. OF ELECTIONS"

It's amazing that they're still not used to the word "no".

7 January - Dr. Orly is expanding her target zone to include the various electors as well. (malware and redirect warning)

(Redaction mine)

"Please, verify whether your Presidential electors authorised the U.S. attorney to represent them, verify whether electors, congressmen and senators authorized the US attorneys to de facto commit treason on their behalf and oppose the TRO seeking a temporary stay of certification and taking of the oath of office by Obama in light of the overwhelming evidence of Obama using forged IDs and a stolen CT Social Security number (redacted)

Posted on | January 7, 2013"

7 January - Yep, she's in a manic phasee. (malware and redirect warning)

(redaction mine)

"In terms of the verification (see, posted below) you are more likely to get a response from the Presidential Electors, as they are less likely to be on the take and less corrupted by the ruling establishment in the DC. You can get the address of your state electors, who voted in the electoral college on December 17th from your Secretary of State, possibly from the National Archives and from Congress.

1. Contact the Republican electors in the red states. Don’t write, letters tend to disappear. Meet with them, forward the form to them, demand they read asap and sign, whether they authorised the US attorney to oppose TRO in light of the overwhelming evidence of forgery and fraud in Obama’s IDs. After you get the signed forms from your electors, e-mail them to me in an attachment, fax to (redacted) and mail the original by Fed Ex or certified mail"

Oh, and we have to continue the harassment and threats.

"You have to get through. Don’t get of the phone until you get an answer in writing. These electors and congressmen need to understand what is going on, they need to put their name next to the decision for opposition which de facto represents treason."

7 January - Dr. Orly stamps her little feet and has a hissy fit over the very notion that an audiotape isn't available from her day in Judge England's courtroom. (malware and redirect warning)

"Court reporter for Judge England refuses to provide the asudio tape of the hearing and judge previously refused any electronic recording (such as audio or video) in the courtroom

Posted on | January 7, 2013"

As is usual, what Dr. Orly heard and what the court reporter said are two different things.

"Ms. Taitz:

The cost for the transcript of the January 3rd hearing is as follows:

Expedited (7 days) $203.70

Expedited (14 days) $178.50

Regular delivery (30 days) $153.30

An audio tape of the hearing is not available."

She didn't tell Dr. Orly, no, you can't have audio take, not yours. She said a tape isn't available to purchase.

Not that Dr. Orly trusts the court reporters anyway.

"Each US District court has to have an audio tape of the proceeding in case the court reporter reports incorrectly.

we had a situation in PA where a court reporter Dona Anders removed the whole testimony of a witness from the certified transcript, which benefitted a party. Thanks to the fact that the audio tapes are required, we were able to recover 14 pages of transcript, which were not included initially. There has to be an audio tape. Please, advice me, whether I need to go to the judge in order to get an audio tape of the hearing"

Yeah, you do that. Go to the judge and DEMAND that tape! And a pony!

7 January - Poor "No-Nonsense-Nancy".

"no-nonsense-nancy
January 4, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Jan, thanks for this. It is very inspiring. I feel that nobody listens to me in regard to what is going on in the country and the world. Maybe if I can just get through to a couple or a few people one of them can be the one to really get through to a lot."

Maybe nobody listens to you because you're a hateful conspiracy nut?

As for the rest of the floaters in Dr. Kate's cesspool, I'll note that "Bildo" has gone full-tilt SovCit, telling people how he's "tax-exempt" and how he refuses to use zip codes and the like. Oh, and they're an anti-vaccer as well. *rolls eyes*

7 January - Part two of William Wagener's badly-done post-hearing video.

Pam Barnett seems to believe that Stanley Ann Dunham's password records show President Obama isn't a US Citizen and that SAD renounced his citizenship under oath. Which is rather amusing, since it goes against US law for a parent to renounce their child's citizenship.

Oh, and she thinks the reason she hasn't been allowed on the stand is that the Judges don't want a "retired military officer" on the stand. Oh, and Wagener and Barnett think that President Obama and the One World Order are going to take your guns and enforce a one world currency.

Wagener made sure to empathize that the judge is black, BTW. Gee, I wonder why…..

Paul Irey is also on this video. Poor Irey seems to think that people are laughing at both him and the birtherstani behind their backs.

Oh no no no no Mr. Irey. We're laughing very openly at you.

And in comments:

"Dweezle Snodd 5 hours ago

England is a Thug Nigger.. sorry, I normally don't say things like this, but -- I am so sick & tired of them..

Charming.

7 January - Douglas Vogt is clue deficient if not clue repellent. (malware and redirect warning)

"46. Douglas Vogt
January 7th, 2013 @ 10:08 am

Dear Kevin,

Regarding payment, we know that Fogbow [his pen name] got paid for his efforts because he admitted to it. The Obots stayed on various blogs for 8 hours at a stretch-day in and day out. I am also an accountant and I can tell you that no one works at this for 2-4 years and not get paid somehow. It just doesn’t happen."

So now you're an accountant in addition to being a copier salesperson, intrepid explorer, Dead Sea Scrolls linguist, theologian, pyramid power researcher, mystery spot theorist, and wanna be typographer??? Wow. What's the old saw about "jack of many trades, and master of none of them?

Also, I've been doing this for four and a half years. I have a tip jar out and google adwords on my blog. I've gotten $85 in tips and $45 in adwords.

As I've said before, if Soros is supposed to be paying be, he's a pretty suckass employer.

"But let’s say you didn’t get paid from the administration, then the burning question is WHY did you do it? Was it loyalty to the democratic party of old? Was it Ideological only—the burning desires to transform the country into a socialist hell? Why did you work on this since December 2008 till now? You had set up your web site just after the November election and it is obvious to anyone with an IQ over 85 that it was to for the purpose of putting down and criticism of and challenges of Obama’s short form birth certificate. "

I can tell you exactly WHY I've been doing this since August of 2008 in four words.

To. Tell. The. Truth.

I saw the proto-birthers lies, fact checked them, and found them to be completely lacking in anything even close to credibility.

And in the years since then, their credibility has only gone down, not up.

"Your actions demonstrate that there was long term planning involved in this effort. "

*Snork* Oh, hardly.

"All I want from you is some very simple answers—why did you do it?"

Because I can't stand liars or lies.

7 January - The US Government files a reply in support of the US motion to stay discovery in Sibley v Alexander.

(Scribd link here)

"Third, Plaintiff’s lawsuit is frivolous and moot. The former is self-evident, as has been repeatedly demonstrated in this forum and many others. As to the latter, not only have the defendant electors voted, but Congress has counted and certified the votes and declared President Obama the victor. See 159 Cong. Rec. H49-04 (daily ed. Jan. 4, 2012); cf. Pl.’s Mot. for Leave to Amend [Dkt. #8] (seeking to amend complaint to add Vice President Biden as a defendant and seeking an order enjoining certification of the electoral college votes)."

Comments

[Lancelot Link]

I suspect "Bob Abooey" is a Howard Stern fan trolling.

[The Magic M]

> (quoting Douglas Vogt) First of all I am the one that has a clear cut cast for libel against you. Remember you are the one who called me a liar.

Paul Irey tried to intimidate me with lawsuit threats on WND as well when I started showing where he was not just wrong, but deliberately misrepresenting his findings. Of course he never went through with that (apart from the little problem of me living in Europe ;)).

[SueDB]

Two years into her tenure as a federal district judge, on November 22, 1963, Sarah Hughes was called upon to administer the oath of office to Lyndon B. Johnson after the assassination of President Kennedy.

Birfers are just like the old village fools that used to provide entertainment in (and from) the Dark Ages.

[Jeff Robison]

President Coolidge was sworn in by his notary-public father, if memory serves.

[ScottRS]

I am a Notary Public in my home state. I am fully authorized by statute to administer oaths. I'd be happy to swear in President Obama if the need arises.

[MaryRC]

Calvin Coolidge was sworn in by his dad.

Coolidge, Warren Harding's VP, was visiting his parents on their farm when he received a telegram informing him that President Harding had died. Mr. Coolidge Sr. was a notary public and administered the oath of office to his own son, in the middle of the night, in the farmhouse parlour by the light of a kerosene lamp. I always thought that was a fascinating and very American story.

[MaryRC]

Oops, I see that I was so eager to jump in with my Calvin Coolidge story that I missed Jeff Robison beating me to it. It's still a great story.

[Obot]

As an experiment, I administered the Presidential Oath to several neighbors today, including a small child. The results indicate that this did not, in fact, make any of them President, and that something else is likely to be the cause of actually becoming President. I suspect it has something to do with the election, and that the Oath is a mere formality.

[Jonny Quest]

With all due respect (much!), I have to say that this time you may have amassed more typos than the birthers.
True, their ratio is far higher, but you really should spell-check before publication.
Good work, just a bit more confusing to read this time.

[The Magic M]

> I always thought that was a fascinating and very American story.

Cue the birthers throwing another former President (the first being Chester Arthur) under the bus as "treasonous usurper" in 3... 2...

[Origuy]

Coolidge later repeated the oath before Justice Adolph Hoehling of the DC Supreme Court, just to make sure.

[MTinMO]

Hopefully, some of the birthers and extremists we read about will find themselves in the same position as this guy. Orly sounds like she has some of the same mental issues, as do several of the others. I hope they are doing some investigating in the birther world and keeping track of all those who are making threats on some of the sites you keep up with. I think some of them are seriously dangerous to all of us.

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/schaeffer-cox-pleas-leniency-do-not-sway-judge-alaska-militia-leaders-sentencing

[G]

Thanks for the update on Schaeffer Cox, MTinMO!

Glad to see he will spend the next 20+ years behind bars, where he cannot further endanger others.

I fully agree with the judge & the article's conclusion:

"In the end, Judge Bryan agreed that the psychologist's findings about Cox's mental health made sense. The terms he'd written in his own trial notes after Cox's performance before the jury offered a parallel impression to the psychologist's: paranoia, grandiosity, narcissism, egocentricity, pathological lying. Still, serious mental health issues wouldn't soften Cox's fate – a fate he'd brought upon himself and his family, according to the judge. He could get help in prison for his paranoia and delusions, and it was clear he posed an ongoing danger to society.

"It may provide a reason for some of what he did but it is not an excuse,” Judge Bryan said."

[G]

I'm with you Patrick - one of the main reasons of following and putting up with these bitter lunatics is because I can't stand willful liars, especially if they are mired in petty hate.